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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    America has always been a nation of warriors but that could be changing with the changing demographics taking place in America today along with putting pussies in the White House.
    You mean Bush and Cheney who dodged the War you went to?
    Redirect your anger .
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama to Discuss Ukraine, White House Says

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/wo...aine.html?_r=0

    A whole hell of a lot better than amassing troops.
    I don't believe a word of any of it...

    This administration has been anything BUT transparent...

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You mean Bush and Cheney who dodged the War you went to?
    Redirect your anger .
    What the **** does Bush and Cheney have to do with any of this? furthermore, I could say the same thing just about every democrat/progressive that was of age during the Vietnam war.

    Funny how you randomly picked Bush and Cheney when you could have said Kerry or Clinton.

    Besides the marquee progressives of today were nothing more than draft dodgers anyways - go see the SDS or Weather Underground about that. They made draft dodging a hobby.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obama has nothing to negotiate with. Putin holds all the cards. Putin is going to tell Obama what he wants and Obama is going to give it to him.
    "Hello Barrack, hey I was just thinking and I have an idea of how you can save face. I'll keep Crimea and not take over the Ukraine and then you can tell everyone that your tough talk made me back down. That way I get what I want (Crimea) and you get what you want (not having to do anything). Deal?"

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Hi F&L,
    I think the EU had their eyes on the Ukraine for a lot of reasons, some legit some not so much. But I also think our government has had way too much involvement in this whole ordeal. You know if the EU really wants something, you would think they would at least beef up their military beforehand or at least the ruling class would cough up the needed dough. Not one country in the EU has a decent military force at present. I just read that Japan's Coast Guard is larger than the UK's military. They can't afford one because they are up to their eyeballs in debt providing that socialist dream to everyone. Countries are also being overrun by Islamists. Places like the UK and France are having a hell of a time with uprisings and they can't sufficiently deal with let alone defend themselves of an invasion. And before Obama is out of power our military will be well on its way looking much like any country in Europe. So if things continue on the course they have been, Europe (or a good portion of it) has a good chance of being ruled by heads, Imperial Russia or tails Imperial Islam if they don't get their **** together. Because the way things are going in this country, we aren't going to be able to nor do I think the people have the stomach to spill blood for them anytime soon. After all, under Obama we have been slowly pulling back our troops in the region and downsizing our own capability.
    Why I think that after a few changes (see proposal in signature) the EU should be a nation. The army would then be strong and we might have a chance to defend ourselves against Russia and China.
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya OV. Japan.....and it was the 3rd Aircraft Carrier they Launched. They now have a Coast Guard and Navy that is Bigger than the UK.


    Japan launches largest warship since World War II



    Japan on Tuesday unveiled its largest warship since World War II, an 820-foot-long, 19,500-ton flattop capable of carrying 14 helicopters, according to media reports.

    The ship, named the Izumo, is classified as a helicopter destroyer, though its flattop design makes it look like an aircraft carrier.

    But the Japanese Defense Ministry says the ship is not intended to be used as an aircraft carrier and will not be used to launch fighter jets, state broadcaster NHK reported.

    The launch of the $1.2 billion warship at a Yokohama dockyard comes at a time of increased military tensions between Japan and China over disputed islands in the East China Sea.

    "The destroyer is aimed at better responding to various contingencies in waters near Japan," NHK reported.

    China on Tuesday warned Japan against any moves of military expansion, according to a report from Global Times.....snip~

    Japan launches largest warship since World War II - CNN.com
    CNN AUG 2013
    I'm aware that it is was Japan who launched their 3rd aircraft carrier since WWII, but Apacherat claimed it was their first. I just wanted him to go back and research the matter further.
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It was Japan.

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    Japan's Izumo-class carrier.

    The destroyer in the background is of the Murasame class.

    The worlds navies are waiting to see if Japan will be deploying F-35 B's on the Izumo.

    It's about time that Japan starts taking more responsibility of it's own national defense. But if Japan returns to the Bushido ways of the past, lets hope they are on our side.
    You are correct in that Japan did launch an aircraft carrier last year, but it wasn't their first since WWII. The largest such vessel since then, but certainly not their first. In fact, this carrier makes it their 3rd since WWII.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    LOL! Yeah, you definitely need an 820 foot long flat top ship for 14 helicopters. Just because it looks like an aircraft carrier, is built like an aircraft carrier and could function as an aircraft carrier doesn't mean it isn't a helicopter carrier. Helicopters aren't really aircraft and I'm sure they have big letters on the deck reading "NO JUMP JETS ALLOWED!"

    Oh, and its definitely not a military ship. It is a civil defense ship, just part of their federal police force. You know, they have a constitutional restriction to stay within.

    Japan better keep up the military construction. There's not a chance in hell we'd honor any defense treaties with them if it came to it. We should tell Germany to spend their own damn money for defense too. Don't look to us anymore.
    I agree with you that a helo carrier is in no way as formidable as an aircraft carrier, but I wouldn't discount their contribution to the fight. I've served onboard both (USS New Orleans LPH-11 and USS America CV-66) and both packed a pretty good punch for their class of ship.
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obama has nothing to negotiate with. Putin holds all the cards. Putin is going to tell Obama what he wants and Obama is going to give it to him.
    Right...that's why Sen. Rubio went to CPAC making very similar threats and suggesting the exact same sanction that Pres. Obama has put in place. Only when a Democrat President says it or does such things and brings the negotiators to the table, such actions are viewed as weak. But when a Republic suggests it, he's the strong defender of our nation talking tough and having the balls to back it up with military power.

    You guys crack me up!

    IMO, there have only been three U.S. Presidents since WWII who have used military power effectively and decisively:

    FDR - WWII

    GHWB - Desert Storm

    Clinton - Kosevo

    The rest, including President Obama, really don't score as well in my book.

    Note: I give Obama a C+ only because of how he's been using our Special Forces more effectively, but as a whole it's difficult to gauge his effectiveness as CinC mainly because of the mess he inherited and having to change direction in the middle of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Speak softly, but carry a big stick.

    The problem is, Obama carries no stick. And Putin knows it.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Right...that's why Sen. Rubio went to CPAC making very similar threats and suggesting the exact same sanction that Pres. Obama has put in place. Only when a Democrat President says it or does such things and brings the negotiators to the table, such actions are viewed as weak. But when a Republic suggests it, he's the strong defender of our nation talking tough and having the balls to back it up with military power.

    You guys crack me up!

    IMO, there have only been three U.S. Presidents since WWII who have used military power effectively and decisively:

    FDR - WWII

    GHWB - Desert Storm

    Clinton - Kosevo

    The rest, including President Obama, really don't score as well in my book.

    Note: I give Obama a C+ only because of how he's been using our Special Forces more effectively, but as a whole it's difficult to gauge his effectiveness as CinC mainly because of the mess he inherited and having to change direction in the middle of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Oh yeah! The One can't perform to his full potetial because he inerited a mess. And WE crack YOU up?

    I have to ask...AGAIN...why do you believe that the only two options are to take a military response completely off the table and total war? Are you capable of discussing any option in between?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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