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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' T .....that what I heard to. Also Lavrov pledged on Television that Russia would not move troops into the Ukraine. He also told people that Russia and the West were moving to closer positions upon the matter.

    Putin is calling for the Federalization of the Ukraine.....and also throwing out the condition that Ukraine not join NATO. Which the EU and ourselves won't go for that.
    Yeah, Putin wants the USSR back and THE critical country is Ukraine. So he proposes that IF Ukraine agrees to returning to be a satellite country of Russia under Moscow control and if Ukraine won't makes alliances for its own defense from Russia, then he has no reason to invade and declare more of Ukraine to be Russia territory. Rather, it can be its own territory under total Russia control and subservient to Russian government in Moscow. That is how the USSR worked, yes.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya OV. Japan.....and it was the 3rd Aircraft Carrier they Launched. They now have a Coast Guard and Navy that is Bigger than the UK.


    Japan launches largest warship since World War II



    Japan on Tuesday unveiled its largest warship since World War II, an 820-foot-long, 19,500-ton flattop capable of carrying 14 helicopters, according to media reports.

    The ship, named the Izumo, is classified as a helicopter destroyer, though its flattop design makes it look like an aircraft carrier.

    But the Japanese Defense Ministry says the ship is not intended to be used as an aircraft carrier and will not be used to launch fighter jets, state broadcaster NHK reported.

    The launch of the $1.2 billion warship at a Yokohama dockyard comes at a time of increased military tensions between Japan and China over disputed islands in the East China Sea.

    "The destroyer is aimed at better responding to various contingencies in waters near Japan," NHK reported.

    China on Tuesday warned Japan against any moves of military expansion, according to a report from Global Times.....snip~

    Japan launches largest warship since World War II - CNN.com
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    LOL! Yeah, you definitely need an 820 foot long flat top ship for 14 helicopters. Just because it looks like an aircraft carrier, is built like an aircraft carrier and could function as an aircraft carrier doesn't mean it isn't a helicopter carrier. Helicopters aren't really aircraft and I'm sure they have big letters on the deck reading "NO JUMP JETS ALLOWED!"

    Oh, and its definitely not a military ship. It is a civil defense ship, just part of their federal police force. You know, they have a constitutional restriction to stay within.

    Japan better keep up the military construction. There's not a chance in hell we'd honor any defense treaties with them if it came to it. We should tell Germany to spend their own damn money for defense too. Don't look to us anymore.
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Was that Japan or China?
    It was Japan.

    2445_5243826d57697-386x275.jpg

    Japan's Izumo-class carrier.

    The destroyer in the background is of the Murasame class.

    The worlds navies are waiting to see if Japan will be deploying F-35 B's on the Izumo.

    It's about time that Japan starts taking more responsibility of it's own national defense. But if Japan returns to the Bushido ways of the past, lets hope they are on our side.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It was Japan.

    2445_5243826d57697-386x275.jpg

    Japan's Izumo-class carrier.

    The destroyer in the background is of the Murasame class.

    The worlds navies are waiting to see if Japan will be deploying F-35 B's on the Izumo.

    It's about time that Japan starts taking more responsibility of it's own national defense. But if Japan returns to the Bushido ways of the past, lets hope they are on our side.
    The Japanese culture historically is one of extreme collective subservience to the culture itself. They are a people that historically can nearly all be made to move collectively in the same direction to the same goal with total devotion. That has always made them a very potent military power and, when relevant, industrial power.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Clearly, Putin is in his element, and making all the right moves.

    Poor B'rack is getting embarrassed at every turn.
    Nonsense.
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    LOL! Yeah, you definitely need an 820 foot long flat top ship for 14 helicopters. Just because it looks like an aircraft carrier, is built like an aircraft carrier and could function as an aircraft carrier doesn't mean it isn't a helicopter carrier. Helicopters aren't really aircraft and I'm sure they have big letters on the deck reading "NO JUMP JETS ALLOWED!"

    Oh, and its definitely not a military ship. It is a civil defense ship, just part of their federal police force. You know, they have a constitutional restriction to stay within.

    Japan better keep up the military construction. There's not a chance in hell we'd honor any defense treaties with them if it came to it. We should tell Germany to spend their own damn money for defense too. Don't look to us anymore.
    No jump jets allowed " Who says ?

    Carriers can be used for certain missions. Like China's carriers. No one knows how China will use it's carriers. Sea lane control, ASW, strike, surface warfare, AA ? Nobody knows.

    >" China’s Defense Ministry said, “We are concerned over Japan's constant expansion of its military equipment. Japan's Asian neighbors and the international community need to be highly vigilant about this trend. Japan should learn from history, adhere to its policy of self-defense and abide by its promise to take the road of peaceful development.”

    Li Daguang, a professor at the PLA’s National Defense University, similarly called the vessel an “aircraft carrier in disguise.”

    Japan’s pacifist constitution would seemingly prohibit it from operating aircraft carriers. However, Li is not alone in having these suspicions. Commentators have been warning for years that this is a destroyer in name only and is built so that it is could theoretically later be equipped with combat aircraft such as the F-35B, the short takeoff and vertical landing variant of the Joint Strike Fighter."<

    Japan

    BTW: Janes has classified it as an aircraft carrier.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The Japanese culture historically is one of extreme collective subservience to the culture itself. They are a people that historically can nearly all be made to move collectively in the same direction to the same goal with total devotion. That has always made them a very potent military power and, when relevant, industrial power.


    Hey Joko

    The Japanese have always been warriors.

    Most of Northern and Central Europe including Russia have been nations of warriors.

    America has always been a nation of warriors but that could be changing with the changing demographics taking place in America today along with putting pussies in the White House.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    LOL! Yeah, you definitely need an 820 foot long flat top ship for 14 helicopters. Just because it looks like an aircraft carrier, is built like an aircraft carrier and could function as an aircraft carrier doesn't mean it isn't a helicopter carrier. Helicopters aren't really aircraft and I'm sure they have big letters on the deck reading "NO JUMP JETS ALLOWED!"

    Oh, and its definitely not a military ship. It is a civil defense ship, just part of their federal police force. You know, they have a constitutional restriction to stay within.

    Japan better keep up the military construction. There's not a chance in hell we'd honor any defense treaties with them if it came to it. We should tell Germany to spend their own damn money for defense too. Don't look to us anymore.


    Yeah, and Helicopters also do what? That's Right.....Sub Huntin'. Now you can understand why the Chinese are bit concerned.


    Biggest Japanese Warship Since WWII Will Carry Helicopters, No Planes

    Because Japan's constitution prohibits it from building up a military beyond what's necessary for self-defense, the country is referring to its new helicopter carrier as a "helicopter destroyer" (carrier ships are capable of attacking coastal cities; destroyers are limited to fighting at sea).

    Izumo is larger and can carry three more helicopters than the Hyuga-class helicopter destroyers, the previous largest ships in Japan's fleet. For comparison, both are only a fraction of the size of a fully loaded American Nimitz-class carrier, which weighs in a 97,000 tons.

    The Izumo's ability to transport helicopters quickly over water will be crucial to rescue missions and disaster relief. But that doesn't mean the Izumo lacks military capability, as helicopters are useful for anti-submarine warfare and bring great surveillance powers to Japan's military.

    Of course, helicopters aren't what make this news, really. There's one fighter currently in production that might work from a helicopter carrier, and that possibility is getting a lot of attention from people worried about strained relations between Japan and China. The big question about the Izumo is whether or not it can carry the vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) variant of the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter.....snip~

    Biggest Japanese Warship Since WWII Will Carry Helicopters, No Planes | Popular Science


    Which just like the US.....they have already started to reinforce the decking.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    September 30, 1938

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    You mean the GOP is embarrassing themselves at every turn singing Putin's praises.
    Any substantial reason for the GOP House delaying Ukraine aid for another week?
    Putin/GOP 2016
    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Clearly, Putin is in his element, and making all the right moves.

    Poor B'rack is getting embarrassed at every turn.
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