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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You betcha ya' it is. Now we'll see what we're made of. We have an opportunity to negotiate a satisfactory settlement. We won't get everything we want, and neither will Russia; but we can't afford bright red lines on this.
    Obama has nothing to negotiate with. Putin holds all the cards. Putin is going to tell Obama what he wants and Obama is going to give it to him.
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Obama obviously scared Putin....


    It is a brilliant move by Putin....holding out an olive branch to the Peace Prize recipient.

    Show's who's got the moxie on the international scene.
    Hi F&L,
    I think the EU had their eyes on the Ukraine for a lot of reasons, some legit some not so much. But I also think our government has had way too much involvement in this whole ordeal. You know if the EU really wants something, you would think they would at least beef up their military beforehand or at least the ruling class would cough up the needed dough. Not one country in the EU has a decent military force at present. I just read that Japan's Coast Guard is larger than the UK's military. They can't afford one because they are up to their eyeballs in debt providing that socialist dream to everyone. Countries are also being overrun by Islamists. Places like the UK and France are having a hell of a time with uprisings and they can't sufficiently deal with let alone defend themselves of an invasion. And before Obama is out of power our military will be well on its way looking much like any country in Europe. So if things continue on the course they have been, Europe (or a good portion of it) has a good chance of being ruled by heads, Imperial Russia or tails Imperial Islam if they don't get their **** together. Because the way things are going in this country, we aren't going to be able to nor do I think the people have the stomach to spill blood for them anytime soon. After all, under Obama we have been slowly pulling back our troops in the region and downsizing our own capability.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Furthermore, we would likely not be at this point if we had not reneged on our promise to Gorbachev not to expand NATO. Instead, contrary to the vision that Gorbachev had in mind, the first thing we did was went around trumpeting to the world that we won the cold war. Therefore, when seen in that light, Putin had good reason to make the move that he did in Crimea to secure Russia's very vital interests there.

    If Putin did indeed offer to pull back his troops in exchange for a no NATO pledge, we should take him up on that offer ASAP.
    It's encouraging to see that there are some who actually knows history.

    When the Soviet Union collapsed bringing an end to the Cold War it was embarrassing as an American how many were thumping their chest and yelling we are number one. They were the same people who demanded a "peace dividend" while many of them actually surrendered during the 1970's and refused to fight against communist expansion during the Cold War, while trying to take claim for winning the Cold War.

    All that was accomplished with all of the chest thumping was pouring salt on the Bear's wounds.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obama has nothing to negotiate with. Putin holds all the cards. Putin is going to tell Obama what he wants and Obama is going to give it to him.
    Putin is holding the trump card.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well let's hope so. Poland is a done deal. The thing is this, the US has a lot of commitments around the world. Some of that stuff made sense in the post WWII era. It's a good question as to whether we should continue to extend ourselves in this way. For instance, do we really need to be responsible for the defense of Japan. Why can't they do it themselves? Just saying.
    The Obama administration has already thrown Japan under the bus.

    When China established the "East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone" covering most of the sea and the skies over the Japans Senkaku Islands, Obama sent his number one foreign affairs expert, bumbling VP Joe Biden to China to set China straight.

    Have no idea if Biden bowed from the waist to the Chinese but Biden made it clear, that the USA would concede and recognize China's "East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone."

    Japan took notice of Obama back in 2009 and recognized that Japan could no longer depend on the USA and have been building up their military. No longer a defense security force but a military that can go on the offense. Japan launched their first aircraft carrier since WW ll just last year.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    "Hey Barack, I know I illegally sent troops into Crimea and forced annexation on them, but let's negotiate now that I'm unable to really go any further."

    "Vlad, go f*** yourself. The sanctions ain't comin off til you learn your lesson"
    The interesting thing about your satirical comment is when all this mess in the Ukraine first started so many folks on the Right ridiculed President Obama for even suggesting that strong economic sanctions on Russia or kicking them out of the G-8 would force Putin to back down and start seeing reason. Any hint at Pres. Obama negotiating with Putin was laughed at. Only a show of decisive military might would force Putin to turn back says those on the Right. The irony is when Sen. Rubio suggested doing much of the exact same things Pres. Obama has done, he was seen as a strong voice within the GOP. I guess what they say is true: If your guy suggest it, it's a winning proposal. If their guy suggest it, it must be condemned at every turn.

    Politics....gotta love it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Obama obviously scared Putin....


    It is a brilliant move by Putin....holding out an olive branch to the Peace Prize recipient.

    Show's who's got the moxie on the international scene.
    Are you serious? Do you honestly believe Putin's doing this as a display of 1-ups'manship on Pres. Obama? Really? It can't be that both the sanctions and being removed from the G-8 is having an effect on the Russian economy and Putin wants to change course before any more damage is done can it? No! It's got to be all about bravado.
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well let's hope so. Poland is a done deal. The thing is this, the US has a lot of commitments around the world. Some of that stuff made sense in the post WWII era. It's a good question as to whether we should continue to extend ourselves in this way. For instance, do we really need to be responsible for the defense of Japan. Why can't they do it themselves? Just saying.
    It's about U.S. Naval sea power in the Pacific and Japan holding true to their late Emperor's stance for the Japanese people to never again be a warring nation after WWII.
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The Obama administration has already thrown Japan under the bus.

    When China established the "East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone" covering most of the sea and the skies over the Japans Senkaku Islands, Obama sent his number one foreign affairs expert, bumbling VP Joe Biden to China to set China straight.

    Have no idea if Biden bowed from the waist to the Chinese but Biden made it clear, that the USA would concede and recognize China's "East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone."

    Japan took notice of Obama back in 2009 and recognized that Japan could no longer depend on the USA and have been building up their military. No longer a defense security force but a military that can go on the offense. Japan launched their first aircraft carrier since WW ll just last year.
    Was that Japan or China?
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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The interesting thing about your satirical comment is when all this mess in the Ukraine first started so many folks on the Right ridiculed President Obama for even suggesting that strong economic sanctions on Russia or kicking them out of the G-8 would force Putin to back down and start seeing reason. Any hint at Pres. Obama negotiating with Putin was laughed at. Only a show of decisive military might would force Putin to turn back says those on the Right. The irony is when Sen. Rubio suggested doing much of the exact same things Pres. Obama has done, he was seen as a strong voice within the GOP. I guess what they say is true: If your guy suggest it, it's a winning proposal. If their guy suggest it, it must be condemned at every turn.

    Politics....gotta love it!



    Are you serious? Do you honestly believe Putin's doing this as a display of 1-ups'manship on Pres. Obama? Really? It can't be that both the sanctions and being removed from the G-8 is having an effect on the Russian economy and Putin wants to change course before any more damage is done can it? No! It's got to be all about bravado.
    That's how it's been done for hundreds of years. Theodore Roosevelt called it "Speak softly but carry a big stick." A "big stick" being "Gunboat Diplomacy."

    Obama and those incompetent people who he has surrounded himself with are using what is known as "Defense Diplomacy", kinda like what Nevil Chamberlain tried with Hitler. Most pantywaist leaders have always relied on defense diplomacy before getting their butts whooped.

    The problem that Obama has created and Putin is well aware of it, Obama has done so much damage to the U.S. military, he can't speak softly and carry a big stick.

    Out of the Army's 33 combat brigades only 3 are properly trained and equipped and can be deployed.

    1/2 of the Marine Corps isn't properly trained and equipped and can't be deployed. That's if the Navy can put enough amphibious ships to sea but it can't and if it could, only one Marine amphibious brigade could be deployed.

    The Navy is in real bad shape. Before 2009 the Navy was able to keep four carrier strike groups at sea in their AOR. Today the Obama administration is only capable of having two CSG at sea while hoping that carriers home ported can surge to any hot spot. But none of the Navy's surge carrier are able to surge. The Obama administration is actually classifying hospital ships and harbor patrol boats as warships to make the Navy's combat force to appear on paper being larger than it really is.

    The Air Force isn't doing much better with 1/2 of it's aircraft not being able to fly. Obama has grounded 1/3 of all Air Force squadrons and it would take six months for those pilots to be combat ready if they were allowed to fly . Not to mention the morale problems the Air Force is experiencing with in it's officers corps under the Obama administration.

    Putin knows all of this. Just weeks before Russia made their move on Crimea the Russian navy had an intelligence off the east coast snooping and pooping on our military.

    Obama's defense diplomacy of sanctions of not allowing Russians to go to the "happiest place on Earth" aka Disneyland only has Putin laughing at Obama and America.
    And I don't like being laughed at. The whole world has been laughing at America for the past six years.

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    Re: Putin Calls Obama...Maybe we can work things out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Was that Japan or China?
    Heya OV. Japan.....and it was the 3rd Aircraft Carrier they Launched. They now have a Coast Guard and Navy that is Bigger than the UK.


    Japan launches largest warship since World War II



    Japan on Tuesday unveiled its largest warship since World War II, an 820-foot-long, 19,500-ton flattop capable of carrying 14 helicopters, according to media reports.

    The ship, named the Izumo, is classified as a helicopter destroyer, though its flattop design makes it look like an aircraft carrier.

    But the Japanese Defense Ministry says the ship is not intended to be used as an aircraft carrier and will not be used to launch fighter jets, state broadcaster NHK reported.

    The launch of the $1.2 billion warship at a Yokohama dockyard comes at a time of increased military tensions between Japan and China over disputed islands in the East China Sea.

    "The destroyer is aimed at better responding to various contingencies in waters near Japan," NHK reported.

    China on Tuesday warned Japan against any moves of military expansion, according to a report from Global Times.....snip~

    Japan launches largest warship since World War II - CNN.com
    CNN AUG 2013

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