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    UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Backing Ukraine’s territorial integrity, UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid
    27 March 2014

    In a vote that reaffirmed Ukraine’s unity and territorial integrity, the United Nations General Assembly today adopted a measure underscoring that the mid-March referendum in Crimea that led to the peninsula’s annexation by Russia “has no validity” and that the parties should “pursue immediately a peaceful resolution of the situation.”

    By a vote of 100 in favour to 11 against, with 58 abstentions, the 193-member Assembly called on all States, international organizations and specialized agencies not to recognize any alteration of the status of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol on the basis of the 16 March referendum “and to refrain from any action or dealing that might be interpreted as recognizing any such altered status.”

    The UN Security Council convened seven sessions on the situation in Ukraine, and at its eighth meeting, Russia, one of the 15-nation body’s permanent members, blocked action by voting against a draft resolution that would have urged countries not to recognize the results of the referendum in Crimea. The non-binding text adopted by the Assembly today contained similar language, underscoring that the referendum held in Crimea has no validity and cannot form the basis for any alteration of the status of Crimea or of the city of Sevastopol. It calls on all States to “desist and refrain” from actions aimed at the partial or total disruption of Ukraine’s national unity and territorial integrity, “including any attempts to modify Ukraine’s borders through the threat or use of force or other unlawful means.”
    United Nations News Centre - Backing Ukraine’s territorial integrity, UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Putin's invasion and annexation of Crimea was illegal, illegitimate, and a flagrant violation of the UN Charter concerning territorial integrity and sovereignty.

    As the UN votes were being tallied today, tens of thousands of Russian soldiers were poised on the border waiting for Putin's order to invade and occupy other regions of Ukraine.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    I guess the UN hasn't noticed that that particular ship has already sailed.
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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I guess the UN hasn't noticed that that particular ship has already sailed.
    I guess you don't know that wasn't the point

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I guess you don't know that wasn't the point
    Cool! I get to be the topic of this thread! Yay me!!
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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Cool! I get to be the topic of this thread! Yay me!!
    Well I just couldn't help but notice how silly your post was. Of course the UN declared the referendum illegal after it happened, what do you expect them to do it before it happened? How do you condemn something that hasn't happened yet?

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Well I just couldn't help but notice how silly your post was. Of course the UN declared the referendum illegal after it happened, what do you expect them to do it before it happened? How do you condemn something that hasn't happened yet?
    My point was that the UN's declaration is pointless, regardless of whether it was before, during or after Russia's action. All the UN has done is to highlight yet again how foolish and impotent they are.

    Now quick...make me the topic again!
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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    My point was that the UN's declaration is pointless, regardless of whether it was before, during or after Russia's action. All the UN has done is to highlight yet again how foolish and impotent they are.

    Now quick...make me the topic again!
    I don't know what you're trying to accomplish by pretending that people never respond to other people's posts and disagree with them, but I'm trying to address what you said. Is that fair? Can I do that? Don't we do that on this forum I could have sworn we did.

    Anyway to address your point, the UN declaring this illegal is not pointless because it is a step towards using the general assembly, since the Security Council can't be used, in this world forum to condemn and possibly pass resolutions against Russia.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I guess you don't know that wasn't the point
    The point was to confirm just how useless the UN really is.
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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I don't know what you're trying to accomplish by pretending that people never respond to other people's posts and disagree with them, but I'm trying to address what you said. Is that fair? Can I do that? Don't we do that on this forum I could have sworn we did.

    Anyway to address your point, the UN declaring this illegal is not pointless because it is a step towards using the general assembly, since the Security Council can't be used, in this world forum to condemn and possibly pass resolutions against Russia.

    Be honest. When you posted this in response to my first post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I guess you don't know that wasn't the point
    Your obvious intent was to take a swipe at me by claiming I'm ignorant as to what was going on. You did not address what I posted, but rather you addressed some caricature of me you'd created as a personal jab. If you disagreed with what I was saying, you would have pointed out why you disagreed. You didn't do that, you made it about me and the ignorance you wished I'd had.

    Resolutions against Russia will likely be pointless, since they aren't going to give up Crimea without a fight. It's a weak response and will no doubt not go anywhere. Countries like Russia respond to shows of strength, and less so to the oft shoe dance of the diplomats. I think this is a face saving measure by the UN so they can claim they did "something".
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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The point was to confirm just how useless the UN really is.
    I'm glad I wasn't the only one to understand what I was saying!
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