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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    But why does Ukraine's perceived right to sovereignty override Crimea's? Because someone drew a line around it.
    Perceived right to sovereignty? The Ukraine is an established member of the United Nations. What possible 'perceived' sovereignty are you referring to?

    U.N. will treat Crimea as part of Ukraine, not Russia: U.S. | Reuters

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

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    Perceived right to sovereignty? The Ukraine is an established member of the United Nations. What possible 'perceived' sovereignty are you referring to?

    U.N. will treat Crimea as part of Ukraine, not Russia: U.S. | Reuters
    So was Yugoslavia. I see nothing about the someone drawing a line around a given territory that supersedes the right of those within it to self-determine. Not that I believe Putin's motives are particularly noble here. The whole issue could have been avoided in a referendum where both Ukraine (and by extension the west) and Russia had as little to do with the procedures as possible.
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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    United Nations News Centre - Backing Ukraine’s territorial integrity, UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Putin's invasion and annexation of Crimea was illegal, illegitimate, and a flagrant violation of the UN Charter concerning territorial integrity and sovereignty.

    As the UN votes were being tallied today, tens of thousands of Russian soldiers were poised on the border waiting for Putin's order to invade and occupy other regions of Ukraine.
    Putin learned nothing from us. You have to say the Ukraine has WMDs or terrorists first.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    I'm trying to get our local council to declare the rain invalid. That'll stop it!

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Putin learned nothing from us. You have to say the Ukraine has WMDs or terrorists first.
    Or was committing genocide.
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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Major powers have 'spheres of influence', and we all remember how delightedly the US greeted the liberation of Cuba from its sphere. If the pro-EU groups in the west of the Ukraine want to destroy the elected government and bully the eastern provinces into submission, we can only observe that they are being a bit hopeful if they expect us to go to nuclear war to help them strut.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    So was Yugoslavia. I see nothing about the someone drawing a line around a given territory that supersedes the right of those within it to self-determine. Not that I believe Putin's motives are particularly noble here. The whole issue could have been avoided in a referendum where both Ukraine (and by extension the west) and Russia had as little to do with the procedures as possible.
    This has nothing to do with Yugoslavia but everything to do with your comment about the Ukraine's "perceived sovereignty". They are a sovereign nation and should be respected as such.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This has nothing to do with Yugoslavia but everything to do with your comment about the Ukraine's "perceived sovereignty". They are a sovereign nation and should be respected as such.
    Yes of course, everything exists in isolation bears no relation to anything and cannot be held to the same standards of anything else, except when the Russians do it.

    And why? Because you say so? Crimea has been independent or semi-independent for the overwhelming majority of its history, there is no more logic to its being a part of Ukraine then to its being a part of Russia, least of all if its inhabitants are against it. What sovereignty does Ukraine have over a people that don't consent to its rule? certainly no more than we had over the U.S, Ireland or India.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    send in the blue helmets... Im sure Putin will tremble..

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    United Nations News Centre - Backing Ukraine’s territorial integrity, UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Putin's invasion and annexation of Crimea was illegal, illegitimate, and a flagrant violation of the UN Charter concerning territorial integrity and sovereignty.

    As the UN votes were being tallied today, tens of thousands of Russian soldiers were poised on the border waiting for Putin's order to invade and occupy other regions of Ukraine.
    Okay, but why specifically does the UN not recognize it?

    Because unless they can prove that the referendum was rigged - I see no problem with a territory leaving a country after a successful referendum.

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