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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The point was to confirm just how useless the UN really is.
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    Be honest. When you posted this in response to my first post:


    Your obvious intent was to take a swipe at me by claiming I'm ignorant as to what was going on. You did not address what I posted, but rather you addressed some caricature of me you'd created as a personal jab. If you disagreed with what I was saying, you would have pointed out why you disagreed. You didn't do that, you made it about me and the ignorance you wished I'd had.

    Resolutions against Russia will likely be pointless, since they aren't going to give up Crimea without a fight. It's a weak response and will no doubt not go anywhere. Countries like Russia respond to shows of strength, and less so to the oft shoe dance of the diplomats. I think this is a face saving measure by the UN so they can claim they did "something".

    Well I took it to mean that moon was saying that it was too late for the UN to have done anything which is what the phrase "that ship has sailed" means, that you've taken action after the time to act has past. And I didn't believe that meant to imply that the whole organization was worthless as a whole, which is why I said how you could expect them to condemn anything until after its happened you can't exactly condemn future actions

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Well I took it to mean that moon was saying that it was too late for the UN to have done anything which is what the phrase "that ship has sailed" means, that you've taken action after the time to act has past. And I didn't believe that meant to imply that the whole organization was worthless as a whole, which is why I said how you could expect them to condemn anything until after its happened you can't exactly condemn future actions
    Moon is exactly right, too.

    The UN knew the vote was illegal before it even happened. Hey knew it was going to be rigged. And now, two weeks later, they bitch about.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    I dunno why people think the UN even matters, it is nothing more than a talking forum, nothing really gets done in there. If the Ukrainians want something to be done then they will have to be the ones to go to war over Crimea.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    United Nations News Centre - Backing Ukraine’s territorial integrity, UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Putin's invasion and annexation of Crimea was illegal, illegitimate, and a flagrant violation of the UN Charter concerning territorial integrity and sovereignty.

    As the UN votes were being tallied today, tens of thousands of Russian soldiers were poised on the border waiting for Putin's order to invade and occupy other regions of Ukraine.
    Russia Considers UN Vote on Crimea Annexation a 'Victory'
    Mar. 28 2014

    "The result is rather satisfying for us as we have won a moral and a political victory," the Russian Ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin said, RIA Novosti reported. "It clearly shows that Russia is not isolated."
    The Moscow Times

    Countries voting against the condemnation of Russia - Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

    Dictatorships and failed states. Quite a motley collection of toadies you have there Mr. Ambassador.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The Moscow Times

    Countries voting against the condemnation of Russia - Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

    Dictatorships and failed states. Quite a motley collection of toadies you have there Mr. Ambassador.
    Warsaw Pact that is not. Couldn't even get Iran on board.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

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    Putin's invasion and annexation of Crimea was illegal, illegitimate, and a flagrant violation of the UN Charter concerning territorial integrity and sovereignty.
    Crimea Resolution Backed by U.S. Barely Gets UN Majority - Businessweek

    Ukraine and its backers won support from little more than half the members of the United Nations General Assembly to declare invalid Crimea’s referendum to secede, as Russia wielded diplomatic and economic pressure for members to abstain or cast no ballot.

    The 193-member General Assembly voted 100-11 today to pass a nonbinding resolution describing the Crimean referendum as “having no validity” and calling on all states and agencies to not recognize “any alteration of the status” of Crimea. Fifty-eight members abstained, and 24 were absent.

    While the resolution makes no mention of Russia for its invasion or annexation of the peninsula, the 46 sponsors sought to win a clear majority as a symbol of the country’s isolation from the international community. Instead, many members averted a commitment after aggressive lobbying by Russia.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    The UN is nothing more than it's member states. The UN is nothing more than it's member states. The UN is nothing more than it's member states. The UN is nothing more than it's member states. The UN is nothing more than it's member states.

    It isn't an independent entity or actor. There are good reasons to dislike or have reservations about the UN as an institution and body but too many people give it agency. 'The UN' doesn't decide to do anything. The member states do.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The UN is nothing more than it's member states. The UN is nothing more than it's member states. The UN is nothing more than it's member states. The UN is nothing more than it's member states. The UN is nothing more than it's member states.

    It isn't an independent entity or actor. There are good reasons to dislike or have reservations about the UN as an institution and body but too many people give it agency. 'The UN' doesn't decide to do anything. The member states do.
    And that is why it's useless. Allowing dictatorships of various sorts to have entry (all of which regularly break the UN Charter) only gives them a forum to enhance their own interests and to legitimize their powers.

    There should be a union composed only of legitimate democracies, closer to the G-8 (now G-7), with the Anglosphere as its model. http://explorersfoundation.org/archi...ere_primer.pdf

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    United Nations News Centre - Backing Ukraine’s territorial integrity, UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    Putin's invasion and annexation of Crimea was illegal, illegitimate, and a flagrant violation of the UN Charter concerning territorial integrity and sovereignty.
    But why does Ukraine's perceived right to sovereignty override Crimea's? Because someone drew a line around it.

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    Re: UN Assembly declares Crimea referendum invalid

    I'm sure the Rhineland and the Sudetenland breathed a sigh of relief.

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