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Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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sangha said:
They have the right to tax me to pay for military equipment, bought from third parties, even though I've never declared war on anybody
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They don't tax you if you don't personally purchase military equipment. The discussion isn't about government spending. It's about taxing citizens for not purchasing something.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Um, yes, we already knew that. And?
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Your question asked about the govt's power to tax people who didn't buy healthcare

SCOTUS says the govt has that power.
tres borrachos said:
They don't tax you if you don't personally purchase military equipment. The discussion isn't about government spending. It's about taxing citizens for not purchasing something.
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Doesn't matter. You are making a distinction

You don't get to decide the parameters of the discussion.
 
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sangha said:
Your question asked about the govt's power to tax people who didn't buy healthcare

SCOTUS says the govt has that power.
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My question? Which question was that? I'm the one who said it was a tax, not a fine.

Healthcare insurance, not healthcare. Nobody is taxed if they don't buy healthcare.
 
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sangha said:
The govt isn't forcing anyone to buy insurance



Actually, it is
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Actually, it isn't. The discussion still isn't about government spending. It's about taxing individual citizens for not purchasing a third party good or service.
 
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tres borrachos said:
My question? Which question was that? I'm the one who said it was a tax, not a fine.

Healthcare insurance, not healthcare. Nobody is taxed if they don't buy healthcare.
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I left the word "insurance" out. BFD

The point, the govt has the power to assess a tax penalty if you don't buy health insurance.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Actually, it isn't. The discussion still isn't about government spending. It's about taxing individual citizens for not purchasing a third party good or service.
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Actually it is, but as I have pointed out to you, the govt has the power to assess a tax penalty if you don't buy health insurance.
 
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sangha said:
Your question asked about the govt's power to tax people who didn't buy healthcare

SCOTUS says the govt has that power.


Doesn't matter. You are making a distinction

You don't get to decide the parameters of the discussion.
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I didn't say I get to decide anything. But I can certainly point out to posters that their posts aren't in context with the discussion.
 
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sangha said:
Actually it is, but as I have pointed out to you, the govt has the power to assess a tax penalty if you don't buy health insurance.
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And we all already knew that. Why do you keep repeating it? I'm the one who said it was a tax, not a fine.
 
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tres borrachos said:
And we all already knew that. Why do you keep repeating it? I'm the one who said it was a tax, not a fine.
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As long as you keep responding to my point that the govt has the power to assess a tax penalty if you don't buy health insurance, I will keep repeating the fact that the govt has the power to assess a tax penalty if you don't buy health insurance.
 
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sangha said:
As long as you keep responding to my point that the govt has the power to assess a tax penalty if you don't buy health insurance, I will keep repeating the fact that the govt has the power to assess a tax penalty if you don't buy health insurance.
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We already knew that. I'm the one who pointed out that it's a tax, as defined by SCOTUS.
 
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sangha said:
Yes, you can be as wrong as you want to be
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The government handing out water and electricity to the poor has nothing to do with citizens being taxed for not buying a third party's goods or services.
 
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tres borrachos said:
We already knew that. I'm the one who pointed out that it's a tax, as defined by SCOTUS.
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BFD

The govt has the power to assess a tax penalty if you don't buy health insurance. No one is forced to buy health insurance
 
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I'm still waiting to find out what else we can be taxed for not purchasing from a third party.

And people keep saying the government isn't forcing people to buy anything. So apparently there is no individual mandate.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I'm still waiting to find out what else we can be taxed for not purchasing from a third party.
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Go ahead and wait.
And people keep saying the government isn't forcing people to buy anything. So apparently there is no individual mandate.
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The govt isn't forcing anyone to buy health insurance
 
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sangha said:
Yes it does
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No it doesn't. They don't tax you if you don't buy electricity. They don't tax you if you don't buy tap water.

The individual mandate is being discussed, not government spending.
 
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sangha said:
BFD

The govt has the power to assess a tax penalty if you don't buy health insurance. No one is forced to buy health insurance
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Right. So there is no individual mandate.
 
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tres borrachos said:
No it doesn't. They don't tax you if you don't buy electricity. They don't tax you if you don't buy tap water.
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So what? That has nothing to do with this discussion

The individual mandate is being discussed, not government spending.
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Actually, we were talking about the tax penalty, which is not "government spending"
 
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sangha said:
So what? That has nothing to do with this discussion



Actually, we were talking about the tax penalty, which is not "government spending"
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"we"? You weren't part of that discussion, if you look again. Those of us who were discussing it weren't talking about the government giving people water and electricity.

So there is no individual mandate. Interesting. I thought it was written into the law in order to ensure the law works.
 
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tres borrachos said:
"we"? You weren't part of that discussion, if you look again.
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I am now

Those of us who were discussing it weren't talking about the government giving people water and electricity.
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minnie was.

So there is no individual mandate. Interesting. I thought it was written into the law in order to ensure the law works.
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You have now been reduced to making stuff up and pretending I said it.

Well played, Ma'am!! :lamo
 
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By the way, thank you for pointing out the government providing water and electricity for the poor has nothing to do with the discussion. That's what I said earlier to someone else that you didn't like.
 
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sangha said:
So what? That has nothing to do with this discussion



Actually, we were talking about the tax penalty, which is not "government spending"
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Eventually you are going to come to the reality that you are in the minority and thus the losing side of this issue. This country wasn't built on your vision of a large central govt. providing you with personal responsibility issues. You and I have absolutely nothing in common as my vision rests on personal responsibility, neighbor helping neighbor, and most social issues resting at the state and local level. Yours is one that supports a Federal bureaucracy that has generated a 17.3 trillion dollar debt and rising.
 
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So wait, now there IS a requirement to purchase insurance? Before there wasn't. Make up your mind.

Is there an individual mandate to purchase insurance, or is there not one?

Yes there is, or no there is not.
 
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