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Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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Slyfox696 said:
But you wouldn't call it a success?
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Having our freedoms snatched is never a "success"... unless this is China..
 
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American said:
So how many have paid ACA premiums? - Kyle Cheney - POLITICO.com

So a leftwing rag like Politico is not singing praises for Obamacare sign up or the number who have paid. The Administration won't put out a number, which I find peculiar. If some of the insurers say there's data and the govt says the data is questionable, something stinks about this ****. Because the Administrations record is that they always overstate the success, so the news couldn't be good........and no where near 6 million.
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Obama and the Libs have lied about every facet of this ponzi scam and shreading of od freedom.. I dont think anyone believes the latest lies from Obummer.

sooner people get that Obamacare is NOT about healthcare its about TAXING and TAKING of freedoms the sooner this national disaster can be rectified..
 
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danarhea said:
Not true. Once you turn 65, you are eligible for Medicare, and no longer eligible for ACA.
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Since the old don't need it, the young aren't signing up, and the poor can't afford it....who's left? 6 million people I suppose.
 
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sangha said:
You claimed that young people were not signing up and I proved you wrong so now you're trying to pretend that the issue is subsidies.

Typical right wing tactic.
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You running with the leftisit propoganda is "typical left wing " lies and propoganda..

now tell me did you save $2,500 and kept your Dr.. ?.. NOPE...

are people stressed and dying at this time over not having access to their needed care..YES...
 
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sangha said:
85% of the signups have paid.
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comedy.. really.

why not jsut say 99%..LOL...why not go for it and say 108%..LOL
 
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I think, over the course of time, a lot of people will sign up for "Obamacare." I signed up in December, and it was a frustrating process, very difficult to figure out how it worked and it was even harder to sign up for and use the website. As bad as that experience was, my premium went down about 90% and my coverage is way better than it had been. I was amongst the group of people who this law was meant to help - I have terrible medical problems and my job doesn't pay very well. I had been paying $200 a month for lousy insurance. Obamacare has significantly improved my life.

I hope that people show support for the ACA because it may have problems, but we can fix those problems because it's worth it if it helps people. I don't understand how people could support spending billions of dollars going to war with a country that didn't attack us and yet oppose a law that helps Americans in need of medical care.
 
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danarhea said:
Actually, 9.5 million are now insured who were uninsured before.
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Interesting: from the article

At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.
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Doesn't that mean that 2 million have signed up for ACA?

Further as reported many of that 6 million went on Medicaid, an existing program so the question is why did we need ACA rather than just improving the awareness of Medicaid programs?

It is absolutely amazing to me how anyone can tout a program of this magnitude that will leave over 30 million uninsured
 
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Mustachio said:
I think, over the course of time, a lot of people will sign up for "Obamacare." I signed up in December, and it was a frustrating process, very difficult to figure out how it worked and it was even harder to sign up for and use the website. As bad as that experience was, my premium went down about 90% and my coverage is way better than it had been. I was amongst the group of people who this law was meant to help - I have terrible medical problems and my job doesn't pay very well. I had been paying $200 a month for lousy insurance. Obamacare has significantly improved my life.

I hope that people show support for the ACA because it may have problems, but we can fix those problems because it's worth it if it helps people. I don't understand how people could support spending billions of dollars going to war with a country that didn't attack us and yet oppose a law that helps Americans in need of medical care.
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Do you have any problem with a program that helps increase the yearly debt service which currently is 250 billion a year? IF this is such a great program why are so many Democrats running from it?

I love how you try to equate the cost of the Iraq War with estimated costs for Obamacare.
 
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Erod said:
LOL, because Obama said so? Surely they wouldn't cook the books to save face. I mean, that would be so out of character, wouldn't it? LOL

And since when does America consist of only 12 states and Washington, DC?

Democrats up for election are running for the hills from this thing?

The whole thing is based on 1+1=20. It will never add up.
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Don't mind reality, because if you look at the statistical tables put out by the left, it is going great! I think it is like having a government program to have your fingernails pulled out every two months. They could put out their own stats about how well it is going, but I have a feeling that I would think that the whole program sucks.
 
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Conservative said:
Do you have any problem with a program that helps increase the yearly debt service which currently is 250 billion a year? IF this is such a great program why are so many Democrats running from it?

I love how you try to equate the cost of the Iraq War with estimated costs for Obamacare.
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I have a problem with anything that increases the debt. Our government is overloaded with inefficiency. Medicare needs reform. The ACA needs reform. Welfare needs reform. But also, there's only one country in the world that spends even 1/7th or more on their military than we do. And that one country spends 1/3rd of what we do. That's moronic. So yes, I am equating the cost of Iraq (and those who support war with Iran) with Obamacare. Brown University did a study which found the cost of war in Iraq and Afghanistan totaled almost $4 trillion. Obamacare is estimated to cost just over $1 trillion in the next ten years.

So what do you find funny about comparing the two?
 
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Mustachio said:
I have a problem with anything that increases the debt. Our government is overloaded with inefficiency. Medicare needs reform. The ACA needs reform. Welfare needs reform. But also, there's only one country in the world that spends even 1/7th or more on their military than we do. And that one country spends 1/3rd of what we do. That's moronic. So yes, I am equating the cost of Iraq (and those who support war with Iran) with Obamacare. Brown University did a study which found the cost of war in Iraq and Afghanistan totaled almost $4 trillion. Obamacare is estimated to cost just over $1 trillion in the next ten years.

So what do you find funny about comparing the two?
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The Iraq War ended with the status of forces agreement in 2008 and ACA will be an ongoing expense that will continue to add to the deficit. Don't really care about the Brown study only what the Treasury says the cost of the war was and what it actually cost the treasury thus the taxpayers. Obamacare will continue to increase costs and has no business being supported by the Federal Taxpayers and borrowed money. Healthcare is a personal responsibility, not a Federal taxpayer responsibility. If anything it belongs at the state and local level, not the national level.
 
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Conservative said:
The Iraq War ended with the status of forces agreement in 2008 and ACA will be an ongoing expense that will continue to add to the deficit. Don't really care about the Brown study only what the Treasury says the cost of the war was and what it actually cost the treasury thus the taxpayers. Obamacare will continue to increase costs and has no business being supported by the Federal Taxpayers and borrowed money. Healthcare is a personal responsibility, not a Federal taxpayer responsibility. If anything it belongs at the state and local level, not the national level.
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest, a study released on Thursday said.
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So there's your treasury estimate. Face it, you lost that one. You should know what you're talking about before you act like I'm an idiot for having a clue. You may not care how much a war costs, but that doesn't mean they're free. Your whole "I don't even think about the facts" attitude is pretty handy though. It means you can continue to think you're right, no matter how conclusively I prove you wrong.

Health insurance belongs at the state and local level? Well it's a good thing I signed up for MnSure - my state's health care plan - and not Obamacare. I realize that there are requirements put in place by Obamacare, but I think one of the best ideas in the ACA was to let states decide how they wanted to go about the business of getting people insured. Whether you like it or not, health insurance became everybody's business a long time ago. So it's up to you to believe whether or not we should be a nation that takes care of our sick people or a nation that shrugs and looks the other way. "Personal responsibility" is often just another way of saying "me, me, mine."
 
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sangha said:
It's funny watching how the right started complaining about how there weren't enough people signing up, and now that the programs are reporting greater participation, they are complaining that too many people are signing up
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In fairness, there are certainly people who should never be used as representative of a group. I think we both know who some of those people are.
Conservative said:
LOL, so the fact that people were unaware they were eligible for Medicare is a reason to enact ACA at a cost of billions added to the debt each year? Wow, that liberal logic is scary.
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Except that wasn't anyone's logic, you just made that up. What's scary is how quickly you come up with such ridiculous ideas, and what's even scarier is there are probably people who believe them.
Erod said:
No, I'd love it if this worked
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Nonsense, you made yourself clear earlier when you all but admitted you would never call it a success. I asked you point blank and you just ignored it twice. You have almost no credibility on this topic.
Travis007 said:
Having our freedoms snatched is never a "success"... unless this is China..
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I find your ridiculous post too ridiculous to put effort into a proper reply. All I'll say is if you don't want insurance, nobody is forcing you to have it.
 
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Mustachio said:
So there's your treasury estimate. Face it, you lost that one. You should know what you're talking about before you act like I'm an idiot for having a clue. You may not care how much a war costs, but that doesn't mean they're free. Your whole "I don't even think about the facts" attitude is pretty handy though. It means you can continue to think you're right, no matter how conclusively I prove you wrong.

Health insurance belongs at the state and local level? Well it's a good thing I signed up for MnSure - my state's health care plan - and not Obamacare. I realize that there are requirements put in place by Obamacare, but I think one of the best ideas in the ACA was to let states decide how they wanted to go about the business of getting people insured. Whether you like it or not, health insurance became everybody's business a long time ago. So it's up to you to believe whether or not we should be a nation that takes care of our sick people or a nation that shrugs and looks the other way. "Personal responsibility" is often just another way of saying "me, me, mine."
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No, let's face it, estimates are just that, reality is the war cost the Treasury 1.7 trillion over 10 years or 170 billion a year, 490 billion in benefits to veterans includes ALL veterans not just the Iraq War Veterans. What is really sad is that we are 6 years after the end of the war and after Bush left office and you are still reliving the Iraq years. Why is that? How did the Iraq War affect you and your family? I had three family members serve in Iraq, how about you?

Glad you realize that health insurance is a state responsibility for that is where the uninsured expenses rest, not the national level. Why anyone would turn a personal responsibility over to a Federal Govt. that has created a 17.3 trillion dollar and growing debt is beyond comprehension. Too many people refuse to use their brain to think and instead think only with their heart
 
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Slyfox696 said:
In fairness, there are certainly people who should never be used as representative of a group. I think we both know who some of those people are.
Except that wasn't anyone's logic, you just made that up. What's scary is how quickly you come up with such ridiculous ideas, and what's even scarier is there are probably people who believe them.
Nonsense, you made yourself clear earlier when you all but admitted you would never call it a success. I asked you point blank and you just ignored it twice. You have almost no credibility on this topic.
I find your ridiculous post too ridiculous to put effort into a proper reply. All I'll say is if you don't want insurance, nobody is forcing you to have it.
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So tell me why anyone would support creating ACA to force people eligible for Medicaid prior to ACA to sign up? Does that lower the costs of ACA? That seems to be liberal logic and why you believe ACA is a good thing. Isn't that what you said?
 
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Conservative said:
So tell me why anyone would support creating ACA to force people eligible for Medicaid prior to ACA to sign up? Does that lower the costs of ACA? That seems to be liberal logic and why you believe ACA is a good thing. Isn't that what you said?
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You can keep pushing your strawman arguments, but it's pretty clear how transparent you are.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
You can keep pushing your strawman arguments, but it's pretty clear how transparent you are.
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Transparent to who? You? LOL, your logic is flawed and your support is what is quite telling. You see, the entitlement society appears to be what you and so many others need and want. Costs don't matter because they are being paid by someone else. I never grew up that way, apparently you did.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
In fairness, there are certainly people who should never be used as representative of a group. I think we both know who some of those people are.
Except that wasn't anyone's logic, you just made that up. What's scary is how quickly you come up with such ridiculous ideas, and what's even scarier is there are probably people who believe them.
Nonsense, you made yourself clear earlier when you all but admitted you would never call it a success. I asked you point blank and you just ignored it twice. You have almost no credibility on this topic.
I find your ridiculous post too ridiculous to put effort into a proper reply. All I'll say is if you don't want insurance, nobody is forcing you to have it.
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Its amazing.. they are forcing us to have it.. is that HUGE issue lost on you? OMG
 
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Slyfox696 said:
You can keep pushing your strawman arguments, but it's pretty clear how transparent you are.
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do you even understand the law?... Your posts are not fact based..
 
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Conservative said:
Transparent to who? You?
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Yes. The fact you keep trying to ascribe to me a position I've never taken shows your real agenda.
Travis007 said:
Its amazing.. they are forcing us to have it.. is that HUGE issue lost on you? OMG
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No, they are not. You are not forced to have insurance. Even a basic understanding of the law would allow you to know this.
Travis007 said:
do you even understand the law?... Your posts are not fact based..
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Yes, I understand it. It's obvious you don't if you think you are forced to have insurance.
 
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I successfully enrolled an earthworm earlier today, and guess what? It's getting a subsidy. Is America a great country, or what?
 
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Slyfox696 said:
In fairness, there are certainly people who should never be used as representative of a group. I think we both know who some of those people are.
Except that wasn't anyone's logic, you just made that up. What's scary is how quickly you come up with such ridiculous ideas, and what's even scarier is there are probably people who believe them.
Nonsense, you made yourself clear earlier when you all but admitted you would never call it a success. I asked you point blank and you just ignored it twice. You have almost no credibility on this topic.
I find your ridiculous post too ridiculous to put effort into a proper reply. All I'll say is if you don't want insurance, nobody is forcing you to have it.
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You do know you have ZERO credibility as you just wrote " All I have to say is if you dont want insurance , nobody is forcing you to have it"...

You just proved that you have no idea what you are talking about and must be some DNC shill that wont be up front on their lean..

You telling Con that he is not understanding of this subject is pure comedy..
 
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