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Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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Slyfox696 said:
Not if they didn't have the ability to know. Running a query against a database to see how many people have registered on the federal exchange is a much different process than knowing how many people have written a check to an insurance company.

A subsidy doesn't mean the people are not paying as well. And if someone is so poor 100% of their insurance is being paid, then they probably were already getting covered by Medicaid.

You've already made it clear you're not interested in whether it's a success or not, only in finding ways to call it a disaster. You have very little credibility on the subject, quite honestly.
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No, I'd love it if this worked, but everyone knows young people are not going to sign up for this. It was financially doomed from the get-go. THEY'RE YOUNG PEOPLE! Since when do young people save for their retirement, invest in the market, save 20 percent of their earnings, or purchase health insurance on their own?

Seriously, THAT was the plan?

No, it's not the plan. The plan is to force the entire nation into a government healthcare program, drive insurance companies out of business, and control 1/6th of the economy, even if healthcare research and actual care suffer mightily. Once that herd leaves the barn, there's not putting the old system back together.

This has nothing to do with taking care of people, and everything to do with absolute power over them.
 
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Erod said:
No, I'd love it if this worked, but everyone knows young people are not going to sign up for this. It was financially doomed from the get-go. THEY'RE YOUNG PEOPLE! Since when do young people save for their retirement, invest in the market, save 20 percent of their earnings, or purchase health insurance on their own?

Seriously, THAT was the plan?

No, it's not the plan. The plan is to force the entire nation into a government healthcare program, drive insurance companies out of business, and control 1/6th of the economy, even if healthcare research and actual care suffer mightily. Once that herd leaves the barn, there's not putting the old system back together.

This has nothing to do with taking care of people, and everything to do with absolute power over them.
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It also has nothing to do with "making healthcare affordable for all." It is merely a very large entitlement program.
 
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Who cares if the sign-up is for 6 million when the goal was originally 7 million? And this is not even taking into account that some of them haven't paid their premium yet.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I'd just like one explanation from the libs. With all these things, what are your plans for getting the debt under control?
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Wow, no replies from you libs, what a surprise. Can't you just parrot Obama? The ACA is going to drive down the debt! That will probably happen at about the same time we all realize our $2500 in savings. Jeez, how gullible are you people?

And here's another question. If it's so great, why do we have to force people to get it?
 
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sangha said:
Even your own link says it won't add to the deficit
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The plan itself won't in theoretical terms, but the residual shortfall from non-paying and subsidized enrollees most certainly will. Not to mention the effect it will have on the workforce, which will only create more subsidized enrollees.
 
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Erod said:
How many will pay for it without subsidy? How many of them are single parents? How many don't even know they're required to pay?

You won't be pleased when you find out. If you find out. Nobody wants to say.
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You claimed that young people were not signing up and I proved you wrong so now you're trying to pretend that the issue is subsidies.

Typical right wing tactic.
 
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Erod said:
The plan itself won't in theoretical terms, but the residual shortfall from non-paying and subsidized enrollees most certainly will. Not to mention the effect it will have on the workforce, which will only create more subsidized enrollees.
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I proved you wrong about ACA adding to the deficit, so now you're going to pretend the issue is "the residual shortfall"

Typical right wing tactic
 
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Anthony60 said:
Looks like they are way low on that goal too. Says they needed 38% to 40%.
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From the article
a Dec. 17 report from the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation on insurance markets and youth enrollment, which he said basically found “that even if you only have 25 percent of your marketplace, of your composition being 18 to 34, that essentially takes death spiral off the table, that essentially you have a sustainable marketplace

Read more: Young adults make up one-fourth of Obamacare enrollees - Kyle Cheney and Jason Millman - POLITICO.com
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sangha said:
I proved you wrong about ACA adding to the deficit, so now you're going to pretend the issue is "the residual shortfall"

Typical right wing tactic
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Typical leftwing tactic, tout a projection as reality and then when reality actually is viewed run on to some other support Obama program.
 
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sangha said:
You claimed that young people were not signing up and I proved you wrong so now you're trying to pretend that the issue is subsidies.

Typical right wing tactic.
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Stop spinning so fast. I can't hear you.

Who gives a rip about sign-ups (which are woefully short of the target, btw)?

PAID sign-ups are all that matter. I know you people never care about this, but there is supposed to be actual money to use to pay for this stuff. It's not a library card.
 
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sangha said:
I proved you wrong about ACA adding to the deficit, so now you're going to pretend the issue is "the residual shortfall"

Typical right wing tactic
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Proved? With a projection?

LOL, yep, par for the course.
 
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Erod said:
Stop spinning so fast. I can't hear you.

Who gives a rip about sign-ups (which are woefully short of the target, btw)?

PAID sign-ups are all that matter. I know you people never care about this, but there is supposed to be actual money to use to pay for this stuff. It's not a library card.
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85% of the signups have paid.
 
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sangha said:
The Paid/Unpaid Brouhaha (Updated) | ACASignups.net
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LOL, because Obama said so? Surely they wouldn't cook the books to save face. I mean, that would be so out of character, wouldn't it? LOL

And since when does America consist of only 12 states and Washington, DC?

Democrats up for election are running for the hills from this thing?

The whole thing is based on 1+1=20. It will never add up.
 
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sangha said:
The Paid/Unpaid Brouhaha (Updated) | ACASignups.net
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So how many have paid ACA premiums? - Kyle Cheney - POLITICO.com

So a leftwing rag like Politico is not singing praises for Obamacare sign up or the number who have paid. The Administration won't put out a number, which I find peculiar. If some of the insurers say there's data and the govt says the data is questionable, something stinks about this ****. Because the Administrations record is that they always overstate the success, so the news couldn't be good........and no where near 6 million.
 
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American said:
So how many have paid ACA premiums? - Kyle Cheney - POLITICO.com

So a leftwing rag like Politico is not singing praises for Obamacare sign up or the number who have paid. The Administration who put out a number, which I find peculiar. If some of the insurers say there's data and the govt says the data is questionable, something stinks about this ****. Because the Administrations record is that they always overstate the success, so the news couldn't be good........and no where near 6 million.
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Insurance industry officials
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sangha said:
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Thank you, but I actually did read it. Now read what I say about that.
 
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