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Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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Clinical updating will save money in the long run.

Oh, "in the long run" eh? So far this updating is costing practices upwards of $100K causing prices of office visits to rise.

Insurance companies are limited to percent of profit they can make which will save the consumer money.

If that is the case then why are costs projected to skyrocket even with O-care in place?

"Health insurance premiums have risen more after Obamacare than the average premium increases over the eight years before it became law, according to the private health exchange eHealthInsurance.

The individual market for health insurance has seen premiums rise by 39 percent since February 2013, eHealth reports."



Read more: Premiums rising faster than eight years before Obamacare | The Daily Caller

I don't know why your wife is not on your plan.

I can tell you what the company put out, even though you will dismiss it out of hand....My employer tells me that they looked at a range of options available to them, including dropping coverage all together. And because of projected costs, and the the mandates that will run out of waiver for businesses at the end of this year, (before their next re up time) they had to make the decision to drop spouses as a cost saving measure. My guess is that this is the similar excuse for many.

"Twenty percent of nearly 600 large employers in a survey completed earlier this year charged a spousal surcharge in 2013. An additional 13 percent plan to do so next year, according to the study, which was conducted by benefits consultant Towers Watson and the nonprofit National Business Group on Health. Those surcharges average about $100 a month, or roughly double what they averaged a couple years ago.

The study also found that 4 percent of companies excluded spouses from their health plans when similar coverage was available through the spouse's employer. And another 8 percent planned to do so next year."

More Companies Plan To Cut Health Coverage For Spouses

"UVA said Wednesday this is only one of many “major changes” coming to their health plans as a result of ObamaCare. The university says the changes are necessary because the law is projected to add $7.3 million to the cost of the university’s health plan in 2014 alone.

“The modified plan will provide new options and reward those who participate in wellness programs,” UVA’s Vice President and Chief Human Resources Officer Susan Carkeek said in a press release. “But we must make adjustments or face millions of dollars in rising costs, fees and taxes that would be passed along to employees.”

Similarly, UPS partially blamed the new health law for the change, which is estimated to affect roughly 15,000 employee spouses.

The rising cost of health care "combined with the costs associated with the Affordable Care Act, have made it increasingly difficult to continue providing the same level of health care benefits to our employees at an affordable cost," UPS said."

Employers dropping coverage for thousands of spouses over ObamaCare costs | Fox News

"By denying coverage to spouses, employers not only save the annual premiums, but also the new fees that went into effect as part of the Affordable Care Act. This year, companies have to pay $1 or $2 “per life” covered on their plans, a sum that jumps to $65 in 2014. And health law guidelines proposed recently mandate coverage of employees’ dependent children (up to age 26), but husbands and wives are optional. “The question about whether it’s obligatory to cover the family of the employee is being thought through more than ever before,” says Helen Darling, president of the National Business Group on Health. See: When your boss doesn’t trust your doctor"

Why your boss is dumping your wife - MarketWatch

My daughter and her husband have 2 different plans so they also have two premiums.

That is the way with many couples now.

Not all companies offer family plans.

That is true today, but it is a direct result of O-Care....You leave that out for some reason...
 
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The USG has spent over 700m on this signup circus. Why is anyone having to estimate anything about it? You'd think a system costing $700m+ would be a little more concrete, don't ya think?

According to the article I linked to the final count of enrollments ( those who not only signed up but also paid their premium ) should be available by mid April.
 
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According to the article I linked to the final count of enrollments ( those who not only signed up but also paid their premium ) should be available by mid April.

Should be....they've been saying that since it opened...."should be available by..." and it's never proven true. Along with everything else said by the administration about this circus.

How many times must you be lied to before you realize you're being lied to?
 
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Should be....they've been saying that since it opened...."should be available by..." and it's never proven true. ....

The number of people enrolled in the ACA was 4.2 million by the end of Feb.
We will find out in a few weeks if we know the final numbers.
 
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The number of people enrolled in the ACA was 4.2 million by the end of Feb.
We will find out in a few weeks if we know the final numbers.

Not all of which were originally uninsured, nor any where close to the 32-42 million supposedly uninsured this was supposed to help.
 
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Not all of which were originally uninsured, nor any where close to the 32-42 million supposedly uninsured this was supposed to help.

It was always predicted that only a small portion would sign up the first year. As penalties for uninsured are collected and start to increase a larger percentage of the uninsured should sign up in the following years.
 
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I guess many were not aware that
most of us who do have health insurance have been paying for the uninsured even before Obamacare was passed.
No one can guarantee that he or she will not need healthcare, and most people without insurance are unable to pay for the care they receive. As a result, they shift those costs to the rest of us, either because the government picks up the tab or because hospitals required to treat the sick regardless of ability to pay pass on the costs to others in higher fees.
The uninsured thereby shift about $43 billion in costs each year to the rest of us, increasing the average premium for insured families by more than $1,000 a year..

Why Obama's Healthcare Law Is Constitutional | The Nation
 
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You do realize 6 million is roughly 2% of the US population?

What a milestone 2% after 8 months.... Do those numbers seem to you like US citizens are enthusiastic about Obamacare?

You do realize (more likely you don't) that ACA is responsible for almost three times that number of people getting coverage, don't you?

That's right! 16.5 million people in just a few months.

My understanding was that something like 40 million people (numbers varied) didn't have medical insurance and the ACA was intended to cover them. That doesn't seem to be happening.

Is my summation correct?

No, it's not.

In the first year, initial plans were to enroll 7 million in exchange plans and 9 million in Medicaid and CHIP, and not all of them would be people who had been previously uninsured

Should be....they've been saying that since it opened...."should be available by..." and it's never proven true. Along with everything else said by the administration about this circus.

How many times must you be lied to before you realize you're being lied to?

Really? Do you have any links to the govt saying that the #'s you are referring to "should be available by" any date?

Or are the lies you're referring to your own?

Not all of which were originally uninsured, nor any where close to the 32-42 million supposedly uninsured this was supposed to help.

It was never meant to insure 32+ million uninsured in the first year.
 
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The number of people enrolled in the ACA was 4.2 million by the end of Feb.
We will find out in a few weeks if we know the final numbers.

How could they possibly not know these numbers now? Are they not using computers?
 
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I guess many were not aware that
most of us who do have health insurance have been paying for the uninsured even before Obamacare was passed.


Why Obama's Healthcare Law Is Constitutional | The Nation

Do you realize that the uninsured expense isn't a federal expense but rather a state expense making this a state issue and not a federal issue? Of course that fact is ignored by supporters of Obamacare. Absolutely amazing how little so many know about the role of the Federal govt, the expenses generated, and the responsibilities of the individual. Please explain to me why we need to basically destroy the medical system we have to insure those many of whom choose not to purchase health insurance? Why do you continue to believe the Obama Administration lies?
 
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You do realize (more likely you don't) that ACA is responsible for almost three times that number of people getting coverage, don't you?

That's right! 16.5 million people in just a few months.



No, it's not.

In the first year, initial plans were to enroll 7 million in exchange plans and 9 million in Medicaid and CHIP, and not all of them would be people who had been previously uninsured



Really? Do you have any links to the govt saying that the #'s you are referring to "should be available by" any date?

Or are the lies you're referring to your own?



It was never meant to insure 32+ million uninsured in the first year.

Noticed you ran from the Whitehouse.gov site and information provided. You simply have no concept as to what the goals were of ACA and how miserably it has failed. Costs don't matter to you as long as someone else is paying those costs, right?
 
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Do you realize that the uninsured expense isn't a federal expense but rather a state expense making this a state issue and not a federal issue? Of course that fact is ignored by supporters of Obamacare. Absolutely amazing how little so many know about the role of the Federal govt, the expenses generated, and the responsibilities of the individual. ..

I know that every one of us who has insurance has been paying for the uninsured even before the ACA was passed.

I know that many of my relatives now are able to put their adult children under the age of 26 on their family policies.

I know that good friend who a had a pre existing condition that made her uninsurable now has insurance.
 
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How could they possibly not know these numbers now? Are they not using computers?

Who says they do not know them ? The numbers are constantly increasing.
 
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I know that every one of us who has insurance has been paying for the uninsured even before the ACA was passed.

I know that many of my relatives now are able to put their adult children under the age of 26 on their family policies.

I know that good friend who a had a pre existing condition that made her uninsurable now has insurance.

Isn't it amazing how far we have come and not in a positive way?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02eY6h6Vqjc

When did it become the government's responsibility for you or your family to get health insurance paid for by someone else?
 
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minnie61doesn't 09013cost People's premiums have been going WAY UP for years. Maybe you didn't notice it because companies use to pay for their employees insurance. Now in the last 10 years more and more companies are asking their employees to share the cost of their insurance. Since my husband and his brothers have owned a small business for the last 40 years I know insurance costs were Skyrocketing before President Obama took office. They have been skyrocketing for decades. This has not happened just in the last 10 years. Heath care costs need to be reigned in.[/QUOTE said:
Huh ??

Ok, first things first.

ObamaCare is also known as the " AFFORDABLE Care Act ".

One of Obama's mulitple exagerations was that it would lower premiums by 2500.00 for your average Family.

It hasn't and you people know it hasn't.

You being politically motivated to mitigate away these acute and substantial cost increases doesn't help those who have just been forced off their old insurance.

And who are now finding out that they are going to have allot less money for things like Food and Clothes and monthly expenses in general.

You cant claim this law wasn't sold on false pretenses and broken promises.

Instead of " If you like your plan you can keep it " and " the average Family will Save 2500 dollars a year in premiums " what Obama should have done was explained to America that they may need to stop paying for their Canle TV Service and their Cell Phones because this law is going to cause a Premium INCREASE.

Problem is, if he had just told the truth we would have to contend with the effects of ObamaCares implimention.

For a party that claims to represent the little guy, for a party that claims to be sympathetic to the struggles of the average America, this perpetual open denial of this laws effects on Millions of Americans really makes you people seem prerty cold hearted.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the current self destruction thats happening in the Democrat party right now.

Keep it up. Keep insulting the intelligence of Millions of Americans who've just had their insurance cancelled by telling them its whats best for them and their family.

Keep telling them that the annual pay cut of a few thousand dollars they just recieved is just a normal continuation of premium hikes not related to this law.

Keep telling them their new policies ( if they can even afford them ) are better because men now have prenatal coverage.

Its a win for Conservatives and eventually this Country as it defines Nationally the Democrat brand to match its twisted and selfish core principles
 
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Who says they do not know them ? The numbers are constantly increasing.

Do you understand what is happening here? We have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt, a program that will add another 1.8 trillion entitlement program to the mix which adds to the yearly debt service paid for by those of us paying taxes?

I cannot believe what has happened to this country and the entitlement mentality of far too many. Where does personal responsibility rest in your world? Do you realize we pay 250 BILLION a year in debt service? how many could that number insure?
 
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When do I get my $2500 in savings that Obama promised? Since my healthcare went up $700 this year, I guess Obama will be sending me $3200.
 
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Who says they do not know them ? The
numbers are constantly increasing.

Honestly ?

The numbers are increasing on such a exponential scale that not even thd Government's most powerful computers can give us a Count ?

Computers with processors that can process mathematical computations in the "teraflop per second " range cant offer up a remote guess ?

LOL !

The thing is WE know that THEY know exactly how many people have signed up and NOT payed.

You wanna know how ??

Because if it was Good news for the Democrat party, they would be running that data NON-STOP on every News Outlet.
 
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Do you understand what is happening here? We have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt, a program that will add another 1.8 trillion entitlement program to the mix which adds to the yearly debt service paid for by those of us paying taxes?

I cannot believe what has happened to this country and the entitlement mentality of far too many. Where does personal responsibility rest in your world? Do you realize we pay 250 BILLION a year in debt service? how many could that number insure?

Without getting into all the big government this, big spending that, more entitlements, free condoms, etc... I'd just like one explanation from the libs. With all these things, what are your plans for getting the debt under control?
 
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Do you realize that the uninsured expense isn't a federal expense but rather a state expense making this a state issue and not a federal issue? Of course that fact is ignored by supporters of Obamacare. Absolutely amazing how little so many know about the role of the Federal govt,

Under EMTALA, a federal law, the fed govt reimburses hospitals for expenses relating to providing emergency care to the uninsured

So yeah, it's pretty amazing how little some people know about this

Particularly the know-it-alls
 
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Without getting into all the big government this, big spending that, more entitlements, free condoms, etc... I'd just like one explanation from the libs. With all these things, what are your plans for getting the debt under control?

Debt means nothing to liberals nor does the 250 billion in debt service paid for by taxpayers. It is all about thinking only with the heart
 
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Noticed you ran from the Whitehouse.gov site and information provided. You simply have no concept as to what the goals were of ACA and how miserably it has failed. Costs don't matter to you as long as someone else is paying those costs, right?

You said that ACA was intended to cover all of the uninsured and that only 6 million were covered under ACA. I proved you wrong on both counts, so now you're trying to pretend we were talking about an old web page on Whitehouse.gov

Do you understand what is happening here? We have a 17.3 trillion dollar debt, a program that will add another 1.8 trillion entitlement program to the mix which adds to the yearly debt service paid for by those of us paying taxes?

I cannot believe what has happened to this country and the entitlement mentality of far too many. Where does personal responsibility rest in your world? Do you realize we pay 250 BILLION a year in debt service? how many could that number insure?

ACA decreases the deficit
 
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Under EMTALA, a federal law, the fed govt reimburses hospitals for expenses relating to providing emergency care to the uninsured

So yeah, it's pretty amazing how little some people know about this

Particularly the know-it-alls

Except for the reality

EMTALA places the greatest responsibility on hospitals and emergency physicians to provide this health care safety net and shoulder the financial burden of providing EMTALA related medical care.

By the way how you coming with understanding the Whitehouse.gov website? Seems there is a disconnect between what you believe and the goals established on that website for ACA?
 
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You said that ACA was intended to cover all of the uninsured and that only 6 million were covered under ACA. I proved you wrong on both counts, so now you're trying to pretend we were talking about an old web page on Whitehouse.gov



ACA decreases the deficit

You cannot even figure what Whitehouse.gov said about ACA and who was to be covered. You have only proven what a partisan hack you are and how expenses really don't matter to you including the 250 billion a year in debt service.

You prove yourself wrong with every post and to take a victory lap over a reported 6 million signing up for ACA without knowing the breakdown supports my contention about you
 
Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

You said that ACA was intended to cover all of the uninsured and that only 6 million were covered under ACA. I proved you wrong on both counts, so now you're trying to pretend we were talking about an old web page on Whitehouse.gov



ACA decreases the deficit

Prove that ACA decreases the deficit?
 
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