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Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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Wrong, we put the program down because it is a failure
No, you would put the program down regardless of its success. That was my point and you proved it.

There were a reported 40 million uninsured and the number enrolled is 6 million yet no one knows the make up of those 6 million. That indicate a success to you?
I haven't said anything one way or another about whether it was a success or not...my point was simply that people like you would NEVER call it a success because it was passed by a Democrat. And your first post proved it immediately.
 
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No, you would put the program down regardless of its success. That was my point and you proved it.

I haven't said anything one way or another about whether it was a success or not...my point was simply that people like you would NEVER call it a success because it was passed by a Democrat. And your first post proved it immediately.

Unlike you apparently results matter to me as does the actual role of the Federal Govt. which isn't to provide personal responsibility issues. If you need a parent adopt one.

How can anyone even post that 6 million without even knowing the breakdown call this a success? I grew up a Democrat but that party left me. Bet I have voted for more Democrats in elections than you Republicans?
 
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Six million people signing up will make it more difficult for Republicans to repeal ACA.

I am an old cynic when it comes to politics. I suppose congratulations is at hand for the Democrats. They have succeeded in pushing their political agenda, the ACA on the American people which is probably here to stay. For 4 years now since its passage those for the ACA has been constantly between the 35-40% range. Those against between 53-60%, a constant gap of 10-20 percentage points advantage against. Yet somehow the Democrats have managed to keep this law in place. Kudos Democrats.

I think one of the main reasons for this is they, the Democrats are more astute at playing the political games. First the Democrats made sure all the good stuff in the ACA was front loaded. All of it would kick in before the election of 2012 with the bad stuff waiting until after the November’s election. It is true the Democrats paid a heavy price at the polls in 2010 for going against most voters’ wishes, but they ensured that would not happen again in 2012 by delaying the bad stuff. The ACA unlike in 2010 wasn’t really an issue in 2012 and the Democrats won or at least preserved the status quo.

Then some of the bad stuff kicked in, the Democrats know they are in real trouble for the 2014 election. So what do they do, they delay and postpone more of the bad stuff until after the November election. Great political move and it just might work in helping them retain the senate. The house is safely Republican. What the majority of Americans think or want concerning this law is moot, irrelevant, does not count. It is their political agenda that does and the Democrats are very good at achieving that, the republicans are minor leagues when it comes to the political games being played in Washington.

There has been two polls out which prove this law has hurt more than twice as many people as it has helped. But do the Democrats care? No, they cite the figures that prove the law has had no effect on most people. So the law hurts more people than helps, no big deal, the Democrats political agenda has been accomplished. This law is here to stay I am sad to say, here to stay regardless of what most Americans want, here to stay even if in the end the law hurts more than it helps. All I can say is congratulations Democrats, you have achieved a political agenda you been trying to get since FDR. Kudos to you, your party won, the wants, wishes and needs of the majority of Americans lost.
 
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Unlike you apparently results matter to me
But they don't, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. You only care it was passed by a Democrat and so you're going to condemn it. You're a true team politics player.

How can anyone even post that 6 million without even knowing the breakdown call this a success?
I don't know, I didn't say that. All I said is you're a perfect example of those who are going to believe only one way, regardless of what the evidence tells you. That was my point. The fact you still don't understand it seems pretty much par for the course for you.
 
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Not true. Once you turn 65, you are eligible for Medicare, and no longer eligible for ACA.

Old in this case is anyone over 40. You know, the people that were already paying for healthcare.

I think the number of people that have paid or will pay would be shockingly low. As in, less than 2 million perhaps, if that.
 
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Guess that would mean 42 million still uninsured? Who would call anything that left 42 million uninsured a success?



Your calculation is based on a early estimate of the uninsured...wouldn't want to use non-partisan estimations to assess ACA?
 
re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

Guess that would mean 42 million still uninsured? Who would call anything that left 42 million uninsured a success?
I love your theory.

"Obamacare in its first six months has only insured 6 million of the 47 million people who were previously uninsured by the previous system, so let's repeal Obamacare and go back to the previous system."

Nothing quite like a load of non-logic in the morning.
 
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It was not on there when he posted the thread. I did a Google search on foxnews.com and there was no trace of it. They posted it after this thread.

More Time for Obamacare Signups; 122 Pieces of Potential Debris in Malaysia Flght 370 Crash | Happening Now Blog | Fox News

Posted March 26, 24 hours before this thread started. But hey, I realize the OP just dislikes FNC and wanted to get a rhetorical jab in. We all do it.
 
re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

I love your theory.

"Obamacare in its first six months has only insured 6 million of the 47 million people who were previously uninsured by the previous system, so let's repeal Obamacare and go back to the previous system."

Nothing quite like a load of non-logic in the morning.

They think 48 million uninsured (and climbing) is preferable to 42 million (and declining)
 
re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

Slyfox696;1063083891]But they don't, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. You only care it was passed by a Democrat and so you're going to condemn it. You're a true team politics player.

Wrong, results do matter but those results don't trump the actual role of the Federal Govt. which is to be limited in scope except when it comes to protecting the people. You don't seem to be able to comprehend the definition of PROMOTE domestic welfare. This thread is nothing more than one designed to provoke partisan bickering. Obamacare was poorly crafted, poorly implemented, and is being poorly managed but that doesn't bother people like you who are looking to give Obama credit including this failure. The best you can come up with is a charge that I am a team politics player? Wow, again results don't matter to you

I don't know, I didn't say that. All I said is you're a perfect example of those who are going to believe only one way, regardless of what the evidence tells you. That was my point. The fact you still don't understand it seems pretty much par for the course for you.

What you have trouble understanding is that I believe in a small central govt. whose major goal is to PROMOTE Equal Opportunity and PROVIDE for the Common defense. That doesn't mean getting involved in wages a private company pays its employees, state issues like marriage, providing healthcare on a Federal level, or generally promoting class warfare and wealth redistribution. That wasn't the JFK way and that is who I supported.
 
re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

I love your theory.

"Obamacare in its first six months has only insured 6 million of the 47 million people who were previously uninsured by the previous system, so let's repeal Obamacare and go back to the previous system."

Nothing quite like a load of non-logic in the morning.

And exactly how do you know that? How many of those 6 million were insured and lost their insurance because of Obamacare? Let's repeal Obamacare and return the responsibility to where it belongs at the state and local level?
 
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They think 48 million uninsured (and climbing) is preferable to 42 million (and declining)

You forgot the part about skyrocketing, and I mean SKYROCKETING, deductibles and copays (for those still offered a copay), and quickly rising annual rates.

This new system is criminal to the poor. They can't pay these deductibles and copays, so they'll be forced into the oncoming third-world single payer system that is the root of this whole plan.
 
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More Time for Obamacare Signups; 122 Pieces of Potential Debris in Malaysia Flght 370 Crash | Happening Now Blog | Fox News

Posted March 26, 24 hours before this thread started. But hey, I realize the OP just dislikes FNC and wanted to get a rhetorical jab in. We all do it.
So...Fox News posted the rumor on a blog before it happened, and yet it was no where to be found anywhere else on the site or in a Google search. Got it. Yes, for that we should definitely criticize the OP. :roll:
They think 48 million uninsured (and climbing) is preferable to 42 million (and declining)
Yeah, it's just like I said...it doesn't matter what comes from Obamacare, good or bad, people like them will always call it bad. The last thing they want is for their team to lose again.
 
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They think 48 million uninsured (and climbing) is preferable to 42 million (and declining)

LOL, declining? How do you know how many of those 6 million were insured who lost their insurance and why is it that we need a Federal budget busting program and massive Federal intrusion into the lives of the American people to cover 6 million people?
 
re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

So...Fox News posted the rumor on a blog before it happened, and yet it was no where to be found anywhere else on the site or in a Google search. Got it. Yes, for that we should definitely criticize the OP. :roll:
Yeah, it's just like I said...it doesn't matter what comes from Obamacare, good or bad, people like them will always call it bad. The last thing they want is for their team to lose again.

So...Fox posted 2 stories on it within hours after it was announced. Yes, for that we should definetly attack Fox. :roll: :roll:
 
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Your calculation is based on a early estimate of the uninsured...wouldn't want to use non-partisan estimations to assess ACA?

Non partisan estimates would breakdown the number enrolled by category. How many of that 6 million are people who were insured but lost their insurance due to Obamacare? How many of that 6 million have actually paid their first month's premium? Don't you think those are questions that need to be answered?
 
re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

I love your theory.

"Obamacare in its first six months has only insured 6 million of the 47 million people who were previously uninsured by the previous system, so let's repeal Obamacare and go back to the previous system."

Nothing quite like a load of non-logic in the morning.

By the way since you used quotes how about giving me the post where I made that statement? Why are you so desperate to prop up this failed administration?
 
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Non partisan estimates would breakdown the number enrolled by category. How many of that 6 million are people who were insured but lost their insurance due to Obamacare? How many of that 6 million have actually paid their first month's premium? Don't you think those are questions that need to be answered?

How does any of that explain your contention of 42 million yet convered?
 
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And exactly how do you know that? How many of those 6 million were insured and lost their insurance because of Obamacare? Let's repeal Obamacare and return the responsibility to where it belongs at the state and local level?
Again, it doesn't matter to you. That's my point. How many times should I say it before you'll understand it?

You don't like Obamacare because it was passed by the Democrat. No matter WHAT comes out about it, you'll find a way to criticize, it's what people like you do. You have no care to objectively evaluate, you just play team politics. People like you is why our political system is so terrible these days. You vote based on a letter, not a position or facts.
 
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