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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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    You supplied no evidence and if you are relying solely on the Civil Rights Act of 1964 you would be wrong again. You apparently deliberately overlook the success of racist Democrats like George Wallace in the Northern States. And have you really looked closely at that 1964 Act? I think not.
    The evidence is right there. I showed it and explained it completely. And this is the SECOND time you have been completely unable to refute what I explained. Give it up, Grant. You have shown that your ridiculous and illogical anti-liberal bias has prevented you from understanding the facts in this situation. As far as George Wallace goes, why don't you show us just how much Northern support he had.
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The only one in denial is you, Grant... as usual. This issue was settled and you were shown to be wrong. Now, if you want to keep beating the dead horse that is your position on this, go ahead. I'll just keep showing that you don't know what you are talking about.
    If your idea of debate is 'the issue is settled" then please remove yourself from any debate.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

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    I presented the evidence, clearly and completely. I've done it in this thread and I did it in a discussion with you months ago. You were in denial then as you are now. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was divided along regional lines, NOT partisan lines. However, if one actually breaks down the division along partisan lines, Republicans were more against the Act than Democrats. This is clear in the Congressional record. It's only conservative lying and revisionism that takes a different position.
    Weasel words cannot hide the fact that the greatest percentage of those for the ACT were Republicans, the greatest percentage of those against the ACT were Democrats. There is no doubt that Lyndon Johnson was another racist Southern Democrat and we can see now his intention behind his "Great Society" initiative which worked out, so far, just like he predicted it would.

    You really should do more reading on the subject rather than using adjectives to bolster your pathetic responses.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Weasel words cannot hide the fact that the greatest percentage of those for the ACT were Republicans, the greatest percentage of those against the ACT were Democrats. There is no doubt that Lyndon Johnson was another racist Southern Democrat and we can see now his intention behind his "Great Society" initiative which worked out, so far, just like he predicted it would.

    You really should do more reading on the subject rather than using adjectives to bolster your pathetic responses.
    To a sophisticated political observer, its a bit silly to consider this a Democrat vs. Republican issue.... it was a Conservative vs. Liberal issue. In 1964, the liberals included northern republicans and the conservatives included southern democrats. The vote, rather than being draw on party lines, was drawn on geographic lines...

    Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Johnson made the political calculation that the south would be lost to the Democrats for 100 years because of this vote. The cons abandoned the Democratic party for the Republican party.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    To a sophisticated political observer, its a bit silly to consider this a Democrat vs. Republican issue.... it was a Conservative vs. Liberal issue. In 1964, the liberals included northern republicans and the conservatives included southern democrats. The vote, rather than being draw on party lines, was drawn on geographic lines...

    Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Johnson made the political calculation that the south would be lost to the Democrats for 100 years because of this vote. The cons abandoned the Democratic party for the Republican party.
    So despite the history of Republicans supporting Blacks for over a century, including fighting and dying for their freedom, and the Democrats fighting against Black rights, in 1964 it was decided that everyone switch sides and the Democrats would henceforth become pro civil rights and the Republicans anti Black. Is that the sophisticated political observation?

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So despite the history of Republicans supporting Blacks for over a century, including fighting and dying for their freedom, and the Democrats fighting against Black rights, in 1964 it was decided that everyone switch sides and the Democrats would henceforth become pro civil rights and the Republicans anti Black. Is that the sophisticated political observation?
    It's sort of like how the republicans supported individual mandates until one day (a day that happened to be when a democrat supported individual mandates) they decided they didn't like it.
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's sort of like how the republicans supported individual mandates until one day (a day that happened to be when a democrat supported individual mandates) they decided they didn't like it.
    In fact it's not like that at all, but you had your say.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So despite the history of Republicans supporting Blacks for over a century, including fighting and dying for their freedom, and the Democrats fighting against Black rights, in 1964 it was decided that everyone switch sides and the Democrats would henceforth become pro civil rights and the Republicans anti Black. Is that the sophisticated political observation?
    I don't think you could be more utterly obstinate if you tried.

    Support for civil rights was largely based on geographic lines, not party lines, as has been illustrated to you numerous times by the regional voting for the CRA. Northern Democrats and Republicans voted overwhelmingly for it; Southern Democrats and Republicans voted overwhelmingly against it. These are facts, this is actually what happened. I do not know why this is so difficult for you to understand, except that for you to admit it would be for you to admit that all Democrats are not pure evil, and you're incapable of that.
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If your idea of debate is 'the issue is settled" then please remove yourself from any debate.
    My idea of debate is I present information and you try to refute it with opposing information. I did my part. You didn't do yours.
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Weasel words cannot hide the fact that the greatest percentage of those for the ACT were Republicans, the greatest percentage of those against the ACT were Democrats. There is no doubt that Lyndon Johnson was another racist Southern Democrat and we can see now his intention behind his "Great Society" initiative which worked out, so far, just like he predicted it would.

    You really should do more reading on the subject rather than using adjectives to bolster your pathetic responses.
    Poor Grant. Thoroughly defeated and can't refute what I presented. The percentages tell the story. Here, I'll post it again so we can all admire your lack of education on this topic:

    In 1964 more Democrats supported black rights both from a numbers perspective (fairly irrelevant) and a percentage perspective (completely relevant). Congressional results from voting on the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

    The original House version:
    • Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
    • Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
    • Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
    • Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
    The Senate version:
    • Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
    • Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
    • Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)
    • Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
    Here are some of the important points that prove my position:

    Here are some examples:

    7 Southern Democratic Representatives supported the act (7%). NO Southern Republican Representatives supported it (0%).
    9 Northern Democratic Representatives voted against the act (6%). 24 Northern Republican Representatives were against it (15%).

    1 Southern Democratic Senator supported the act (5%). NO Southern Republican Senator supported it (0%)
    1 Northern Democratic Senator voted against the act (2%). 5 Northern Republican Senators voted against it (16%)
    Both the numbers and the percentages show that more Democrats than Republican supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It also shows that the delineation issue was REGIONAL, not partisan.

    We can clearly see by these numbers that, firstly, the issue was regional, not partisan. We can also see by the numbers, that when broken down, regionally, more Northern Democrats supported the Act, both from a numbers and from a percentage standpoint. In fact, not ONE Southern Republican supported the ACT.

    So. as usual, Grant doesn't know what he is talking about and has been proven wrong. Again.
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