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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Of course they're counting those. If not, the numbers wouldn't be even close.

    I would prefer to see the bottom line number; those that have actually signed up, paid for and have been issued an insurance policy through ObamaCare minus the 6 million plus that lost their insurance due to ObamaCare.

    That's the real number. So far, even counting those that haven't paid or been issued a policy, O'Care is still behind the curve when offset by those that lost their insurance.

    But, that's not what we're supposed to talk about. It doesn't fit the narrative of "Hope and Change."

    Heya Beaudreaux. Check these out.



    Finally, IBD offers the real reason for the extensions and the Obama administration attempts to dodge demands for the hard numbers from HHS:

    No, the real reason for the deadline delay is that Obama is desperate to get lagging enrollment numbers as high as he can, any way he can.

    It’s the same reason the administration refuses to produce data on how many ObamaCare “enrollees” have actually paid their premiums: HHS officials insist they just don’t have that information.

    But this week Reps. Dave Camp and Kevin Brady discovered that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services has been telling insurers to report both enrollment and payment data. That, the lawmakers say, strongly suggests “the administration knows who has enrolled and paid their first month’s premium.”

    In addition, eight state-run exchanges — each built with federal grant money — have managed to produce nonpayment data for some time now.

    That picture isn’t very pretty. In Maryland, 46% of enrollees haven’t paid their premiums so far. In Vermont, 36% are unpaid. Overall, about one in five people in these states has yet to pony up.

    If that average holds nationwide, it means that fully 1 million people haven’t paid for their ObamaCare plans yet and could lose their coverage.....snip~

    ObamaCare: Stop me if you’ve heard this before … Hot Air

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/obamac...adline-13.html




    This was from a 30 min Radio Show where they used numbers from O'Care, CBO, and Kaiser. Then did the Math.


    According to what I am hearing they wont make the numbers Obama reduced down to. That they needed 40% of the young. They don't even have 30%. Moreover they don't know how many have paid.

    H1: 03/26/14: Guy Benson and Mary Katharine Ham

    This was Guy Benson filing in for Hewitt.....with the Editor of Hot Air. They go thru it pretty good with whats been said out there.


    Its not looking good at all for the Overstock.com.

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The White House announced that 6 million people entered some kind of information on the websites. No mention of how many of them actually paid. No mention of the fact that we were constantly told that there were 48 million uninsured in 2012. No mention of how many of the 6 million were from the group of 5 million whose insurance was cancelled.

    But to the left, this is exciting news?
    This is untrue

    "Signed up" means completing the application and not just "entering some kind of information on the website"
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm curious - since there were reportedly about 40 million Americans without any kind of health insurance coverage when Obamacare was proposed adopted and the intent was to allow more people to qualify under Medicaid guidelines and to qualify under highly government subsidized plans, where does the 7.5 million paying customers figure come from?
    Actually, it's 7 million and it comes from the original projections for how many people would buy insurance through the exchange
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Beaudreaux. Check these out.



    Finally, IBD offers the real reason for the extensions and the Obama administration attempts to dodge demands for the hard numbers from HHS:

    No, the real reason for the deadline delay is that Obama is desperate to get lagging enrollment numbers as high as he can, any way he can.

    It’s the same reason the administration refuses to produce data on how many ObamaCare “enrollees” have actually paid their premiums: HHS officials insist they just don’t have that information.

    But this week Reps. Dave Camp and Kevin Brady discovered that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services has been telling insurers to report both enrollment and payment data. That, the lawmakers say, strongly suggests “the administration knows who has enrolled and paid their first month’s premium.”

    In addition, eight state-run exchanges — each built with federal grant money — have managed to produce nonpayment data for some time now.

    That picture isn’t very pretty. In Maryland, 46% of enrollees haven’t paid their premiums so far. In Vermont, 36% are unpaid. Overall, about one in five people in these states has yet to pony up.

    If that average holds nationwide, it means that fully 1 million people haven’t paid for their ObamaCare plans yet and could lose their coverage.....snip~

    ObamaCare: Stop me if you’ve heard this before … Hot Air

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/obamac...adline-13.html




    This was from a 30 min Radio Show where they used numbers from O'Care, CBO, and Kaiser. Then did the Math.


    According to what I am hearing they wont make the numbers Obama reduced down to. That they needed 40% of the young. They don't even have 30%. Moreover they don't know how many have paid.

    H1: 03/26/14: Guy Benson and Mary Katharine Ham

    This was Guy Benson filing in for Hewitt.....with the Editor of Hot Air. They go thru it pretty good with whats been said out there.


    Its not looking good at all for the Overstock.com.
    Democrats, including the President, made up whatever they needed to make up to sell this scheme to the American people, and they're still making crap up to justify it.

    Individuals in both parties are guilty of exaggerating the truth when it comes to O'Care. Certain Dems lying about how great it is, and certain Reps lying about how bad it is.

    The Republicans would still have enough to demonize it without making up crap. The Democrats should just stick to the good parts, and admit the screwed up parts.

    In other words, the Dems should take the Reps up on the repeal and replace plan, and then take credit for pushing the Reps into acting on health care reform.

    I just don't get it. This could be a win/win for the Dems. The Reps would have a hard time taking credit nationally for health care reform at all, even IF the Dems agreed to repeal and replace. The Reps could get credit on a local level in the Congressional districts and the Dems could still get the national vote numbers to hold the White House in 2016 (not that that's what I would like to see, but they could).

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Democrats, including the President, made up whatever they needed to make up to sell this scheme to the American people, and they're still making crap up to justify it.

    Individuals in both parties are guilty of exaggerating the truth when it comes to O'Care. Certain Dems lying about how great it is, and certain Reps lying about how bad it is.

    The Republicans would still have enough to demonize it without making up crap. The Democrats should just stick to the good parts, and admit the screwed up parts.

    In other words, the Dems should take the Reps up on the repeal and replace plan, and then take credit for pushing the Reps into acting on health care reform.

    I just don't get it. This could be a win/win for the Dems. The Reps would have a hard time taking credit nationally for health care reform at all, even IF the Dems agreed to repeal and replace. The Reps could get credit on a local level in the Congressional districts and the Dems could still get the national vote numbers to hold the White House in 2016 (not that that's what I would like to see, but they could).


    Well, that was until the Dems came up with their own Alternative. What they call Mend Don't End. But then they want The Repubs proposal of letting Insurance cross state lines. They want to keep it in addition to OCare. But it wont help them keep their seats.




    Here Are The "Fixes" Democrats Want for Obamacare

    Writing in today's POLITICO Magazine, Democratic Senators Heidi Heitkamp, Mary Landrie, Mark Begich, Mark Warner, Angus King and Joe Manchin are outlining some of the ways they think Obamacare can be fixed. Notice how many of these Senators represent red states.

    First, we want to give consumers as many choices as possible when it comes to selecting their health plans. By providing a new, lower cost, high deductible option called the Copper Plan (in addition to the existing Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze-level options in the marketplace) we will give consumers more control over their own coverage, spur competition and, most importantly, increase affordability.

    We also propose directing state insurance regulators to develop models for their states to sell health insurance across state lines. These multi-state models will help us discern the benefits and challenges of selling health insurance in this manner, and determine if it is a means to increasing choice and competition among plans—potentially driving down costs while maintaining quality and value.

    Second, to ease the transition for employers, we want to expand the option for voluntary coverage for employers with fewer than 100 employees, about 98 percent of all businesses. This will enable small and mid-sized businesses to make their own choices for their businesses, and employees can shop for coverage on the individual marketplace.

    Finally, we simply want to make it easier for individuals and families to access quality health coverage by offering more than one way for individuals to enroll. We seek to provide a permanent path—in addition to HealthCare.gov—for consumers to seamlessly enroll directly through insurers, while improving access for the agents and brokers whom many families and small businesses trust and rely upon for help with these decisions.....snip~

    You can read the entire proposal here.....snip~

    Here Are The "Fixes" Democrats Want for Obamacare - Katie Pavlich

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    But you wouldn't call it a success?
    Why would anyone call that a success when the claim was there are 40 million uninsured? How many of those people simply enrolled in Medicaid which was available before Obamacare? Seems to me that Obama supporters are looking for anything to give this incompetent empty suit credit when all he has done is create greater debt, cause major damage to millions of Americans who lost their coverage, and damage the best healthcare system in the world. Interesting how so many Democrats are walking away from such a "successful" Program that you people want to claim. Wonder why that is?

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There is no way to know that right away. Under ACA, once you sign up, you then have 2 months to pay your first premium to the insurance company you choose, since this is pretty much a "marketplace exchange" in which insurance companies compete for your business. You pay your premium to the particular insurance company you are going with, not the government. And it could take months before the insurance companies report each of their own batch of statistics back to the government, which then must compile it all to come up with the final figures.
    And thats the point. Its a bit premature to be spiking the football. After all...Obama himself is 'signed up'. What are the odds he is paying for one of these plans?

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And thats the point. Its a bit premature to be spiking the football. After all...Obama himself is 'signed up'. What are the odds he is paying for one of these plans?
    My point is that would not call it either a success nor a failure at this point, but some partisan hacks in here seem to believe that they can see 2 months into the future. 6 million signups is a fact. How many are going to pay their premiums is an unknown at this point.
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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As hard up as GOPs are for a negative story on ACA.
    Over and over and over.
    I'm catching on to rightie speak
    LOL !!!

    Are you kidding ? ObamaCare, all on its own is perpetually exposing the massive amount of disinformation, lies and broken promises that were made when the Democrats were trying to sell it.

    We Conservatives don't have to do a thing. I mean sure, we warned or tried to warn everyone that this law was going to be a disaster, but thats it.

    Obama and the Democrats did the rest and I don't think it's fair to blame us for that.

    You have to accept that Lies usually come with consequences and just because it was the party YOU supported telling those lies doesn't mean we have to keep our mouth shut.

    You didn't honestly think Obama Care would do the things the Democrats claimed it would do, did you ?? Hell I knew Obama and every other Democrat was fibbing, I knew it would drive up cost, and force our economy into a perpetual holding pattern.

    I mean what did you expect ? The Democrats Mandated Un-Quantifiable cost increases through Obama Care and Huge tax increases years before it's implementation. And right after the 2008 Near systemic collapse of our economy no less.

    Did you expect the private sector to ignore that ?? Did you expect Companies to ignore the coming tax increases and cost increases until the day of its implementation ?

    Wow. No, this mess is all on the Democrats, THEY OWN IT. And any criticism that comes their way is well deserved. Conservatives and any other American who's informed and objective enough to know what a disaster this is HAS TO criticize this law and the politicians responsible for it.

    If we buy into the Obama delusion, and lose all touch with reality and agree that this is law is Good for America then whats stopping the next round of Politicians from doing something even more destructive an foolish ??
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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    and how many of those signups are people who previously DID NOT have health insurance? since that is the main reason Obama said we had to totally restructure the system. Answer: a million, maybe. THAT should be the headline if the media weren't the fawning snails that they are.

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