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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    When it comes to a country of 350 million people, nothing will ever be like a light switch. That's what so many people don't understand, that things don't happen instantaneously. It'll be a gradual process, which will hopefully allow everyone who wants insurance to be allowed insurance and help lower the costs for everyone.
    Don't forget the law was passed in 2010 and for 4 years there have been impacts from it. The insuring of children up to 26 was several years ago and accounts for some of the increase. And there are shoes to drop in the coming years that could drive up the uninsured, like the employer mandates.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Health Care is the important thing. Not health care insurance.

    Expanding Medicaid should have been done with increased payroll taxes to pay. And not leaving states with additional unfunded burdens.
    Yes, I remember all the right wingers who were saying what you just said
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Don't forget the law was passed in 2010 and for 4 years there have been impacts from it. The insuring of children up to 26 was several years ago and accounts for some of the increase. And there are shoes to drop in the coming years that could drive up the uninsured, like the employer mandates.
    Yeah, requiring more people to provide insurance is sure to drive up the # of uninsured
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, I remember all the right wingers who were saying what you just said
    Perhaps you should break out of your simplistic Hegelian view of the world and see the world and people with proper complexities.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yeah, requiring more people to provide insurance is sure to drive up the # of uninsured
    Problem is, they can just do the math, and drop people and pay the fine for a whole lot less....

    "According to the American Action Forum, 43 million American workers will lose access to employer-based health insurance coverage because of Obamacare. Critics of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) have warned that the creation of health insurance exchanges, and federal subsidies for people earning less than 400% of the federal poverty limit, practically invites employers to stop offering coverage to their employees, so the federal government picks up the tab. Some supporters of the ACA even celebrate this possible exodus from the employer-based insurance market, figuring it is prelude to a government takeover of the healthcare industry."

    Obamacare And The End Of Employer-Based Health Insurance - Forbes

    The dirty little secret here is that when insurance companies dropped 6 million off the roles, those people in many cases are the people buying off the exchange, not the original uninsured that was supposed to be the reason for blowing up the Health Insurance industry in the first place.
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Problem is, they can just do the math, and drop people and pay the fine for a whole lot less....

    "According to the American Action Forum, 43 million American workers will lose access to employer-based health insurance coverage because of Obamacare. Critics of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) have warned that the creation of health insurance exchanges, and federal subsidies for people earning less than 400% of the federal poverty limit, practically invites employers to stop offering coverage to their employees, so the federal government picks up the tab. Some supporters of the ACA even celebrate this possible exodus from the employer-based insurance market, figuring it is prelude to a government takeover of the healthcare industry."

    Obamacare And The End Of Employer-Based Health Insurance - Forbes

    The dirty little secret here is that when insurance companies dropped 6 million off the roles, those people in many cases are the people buying off the exchange, not the original uninsured that was supposed to be the reason for blowing up the Health Insurance industry in the first place.
    There's no secret. Only a small % of the people buying insurance through the exchanges had employer provided coverage in the previous year.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There's no secret. Only a small % of the people buying insurance through the exchanges had employer provided coverage in the previous year.
    I don't buy that at all..I think all these numbers are made up.
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Context, guy, context. Claiming those stats proved WA was better under Bush than under Obama is like the proverbial guy who jumps off a building and tells watchers on the way down that he's doing really well. He's absolutely right...until that sudden stop at the bottom. Frank Miller called it "one-step street pizza"...and that's what we were in 2005 - the guy enjoying himself on the way down.
    I'm a girl (hence that little pink thing in the "gender" part of my name over there <-----------,) but no biggie.

    The stats show very clearly that WA is not in better shape than it was when GWB was President, Frank Miller and pizza notwithstanding. Nor is CA. Nor are most of the blue states.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't buy that at all..I think all these numbers are made up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm a girl (hence that little pink thing in the "gender" part of my name over there <-----------,) but no biggie.

    The stats show very clearly that WA is not in better shape than it was when GWB was President, Frank Miller and pizza notwithstanding. Nor is CA. Nor are most of the blue states.
    Sorry, my mistake on the gender. Nevertheless, saying that Washington was better off then than it is now is very much like saying that the guy who jumped off the skyscraper was just fine when he was at the 100th floor, at the 90th floor, at the 80th floor....

    I was a Realtor in Bremerton at that time, and it was pretty crazy - the bidding wars for houses were like nothing anyone had seen in living memory. I should have recognized it for what it was then, because I refinanced my house...and after the GR hit, my house was suddenly $200K underwater. It was foreclosed about 3 years ago, but its value still has not approached what it was in 2005.

    TB, while times seemed good in WA in 2005, they looked good all across America in the 1920's. But that doesn't mean that they were good - it means that nobody realized that the house was on fire and most people were going to get burned in the process.
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