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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I live in Washington. Things are much better now than during Bush's last term. And it's not close.
    Washington Unemployment Rates for 2005:

    January - 5.7%
    February - 5.7%
    March - 5.6%
    April - 5.6%
    May - 5.5%
    June - 5.5%
    July - 5.6%
    August - 5.6%
    September - 5.5%
    October - 5.4%
    November - 5.3%
    December - 5.1%

    Washington today: 6.4%

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I live in Washington. Things are much better
    now than during Bush's last term. And it's not close.
    If its Washington State your biggest industry is AMWAY.
    Oh they're big in Michigan too.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Washington Unemployment Rates for 2005:

    January - 5.7%
    February - 5.7%
    March - 5.6%
    April - 5.6%
    May - 5.5%
    June - 5.5%
    July - 5.6%
    August - 5.6%
    September - 5.5%
    October - 5.4%
    November - 5.3%
    December - 5.1%

    Washington today: 6.4%
    I live in Washington, too, and what you're forgetting was that in 2005 our national housing bubble was going hot and heavy - derivatives and deregulation were the words to live by. And credit was VERY easy to get.

    It was only a matter of time....
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    If its Washington State your biggest industry is AMWAY.
    Oh they're big in Michigan too.
    Amway?

    Really?

    Dude...have you ever heard of Boeing? Or Microsoft? Or Starbucks? Or Amazon?

    Boeing all by itself is America's single largest exporter by dollar value.

    Oh, but I forget - in Fenton World, since it's in a blue state, it must be bad or terrible or wasteful or socialist....
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obamacare is an ongoing program and the costs will continue to rise, Iraq costs are basically over and you don't seem to get it, the role of the govt. is to protect us and like it or not the choice to go into Iraq was bipartisan.

    Whether or not I am against Medicare is irrelevant, it is what it is, a self funding program which is part of SS.

    This country was built on neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor not being a federal bureaucrat. This govt. has made charitable giving more difficult and thus has become the entity that our Founders never dreamed up and the education system in this country has created a lot of people who have no idea about our Founders or history.

    I really suggest you learn more about the budget and where the dollars go. Then figure out the true role of the various governments we have, then maybe just maybe you will get it. Personal responsibility issues are not the role of the Federal govt. they belong in the states or the local communities along with neighbors helping neighbors. This bull**** about our military spending is just that, bull****. The military budget is less than 20% of the budget and that IS THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVT.
    Medicare pays for itself? No, dude, it doesn't. Medicare accounts for 15% of the federal budget. This is the second time that you have been completely wrong in regard to factual information. I have never seen anybody who so clearly is just spewing what he has been told, none of your thoughts originated in your head. That's why you are against Medicare even though you are on it. Do you know why your doctor doesn't accept medicare? Why don't you look into that and then come back and tell me how great the system used to be. Hell, it ain't that great now, I'm not sure if it's worse now or before, but at least we're trying to help people in need now. The cost of war with Iraq is over? Are you kidding? Again, get your information right. America should and sometimes does take care of its veterans. So it's not over.

    You completely misunderstood what I was saying about the elderly and disabled. I don't really care to revisit it, now that I understand you are actively opposed to a government program that you need.

    What you don't get is that I know where our money goes and as I said in the first place, our entitlement programs desperately need reform. Just because I don't have your opinion doesn't mean I've never seen the US Federal budget, or the current deficit. Have you noticed that between us, it's you who is completely wrong about their information? What this nation was founded on was every man having equal opportunity to succeed in this world. When people can't succeed because they get really sick 1 time and don't have health insurance, that's unacceptable to me. It's unacceptable that people can't afford to go to college because their insurance premiums were so high. Maybe the Republicans could have worked with the Democrats to find solutions to those problems and others. But they didn't. So we're left with a problematic law that creates as many problems as it has currently solved. You blame the Democrats because their law was flawed. I blame the Republicans because they worked for corporations instead of the American people, they want nothing more than to leave you and your family in a ditch because you don't make enough money for them, you're too old for them, and you've served your purpose for them. But they left their words in your brain and you keep using them, unaware of the fact that the people conservatives are always ranting about - those who need help from the government, don't contribute anything - that's you.
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I live in Washington, too, and what you're forgetting was that in 2005 our national housing bubble was going hot and heavy - derivatives and deregulation were the words to live by. And credit was VERY easy to get.

    It was only a matter of time....
    I'm not forgetting anything. I showed stats that came from the BLS to show that these 2 blue states are not "much better now than during Bush's last term".

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263:617]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Are you seriously telling me that 17.3 trillion exceeding 100% of GDP is on Obama alone.
    Why didn't all concerned agree to the grand bargain in the summer of 2011?
    How much of Obama's debt is due to interest on inherited debt ?
    No, what I am saying is that before Obama it was 60% but Obama has added 6.7 trillion to the debt making it over 100%. interest on the debt is about a trillion of that number over the past 5 years.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Mustachio;1063101119]Medicare pays for itself? No, dude, it doesn't. Medicare accounts for 15% of the federal budget. This is the second time that you have been completely wrong in regard to factual information. I have never seen anybody who so clearly is just spewing what he has been told, none of your thoughts originated in your head. That's why you are against Medicare even though you are on it. Do you know why your doctor doesn't accept medicare? Why don't you look into that and then come back and tell me how great the system used to be. Hell, it ain't that great now, I'm not sure if it's worse now or before, but at least we're trying to help people in need now. The cost of war with Iraq is over? Are you kidding? Again, get your information right. America should and sometimes does take care of its veterans. So it's not over.
    Where in the hell did you get your education? Why exactly is Medicare and SS on budget? You have no concept of either program, when they were establish, how they are funded, and where the revenue and expenses belong, all because liberalism has made a fool out of you. I am sorry but your personal attacks are based upon ignorance. Both Medicare and SS are funded by payroll taxes. Medicare was an addition to SS and both were established as self and employer contributory programs that were supposed to go into a lock box, not on budget to be spent. You need to do better research and stop making a fool of yourself

    You completely misunderstood what I was saying about the elderly and disabled. I don't really care to revisit it, now that I understand you are actively opposed to a government program that you need.
    It is a govt. program that people were forced to contribute to and allowed the bureaucrats in D.C. to spend the money on programs other than SS and Medicare making both now unfunded mandates. Left alone they would have been fine as there were more than enough workers to fund SS and Medicare long term until bureaucrats used the money on other issues

    What you don't get is that I know where our money goes and as I said in the first place, our entitlement programs desperately need reform. Just because I don't have your opinion doesn't mean I've never seen the US Federal budget, or the current deficit. Have you noticed that between us, it's you who is completely wrong about their information? What this nation was founded on was every man having equal opportunity to succeed in this world. When people can't succeed because they get really sick 1 time and don't have health insurance, that's unacceptable to me. It's unacceptable that people can't afford to go to college because their insurance premiums were so high. Maybe the Republicans could have worked with the Democrats to find solutions to those problems and others. But they didn't. So we're left with a problematic law that creates as many problems as it has currently solved. You blame the Democrats because their law was flawed. I blame the Republicans because they worked for corporations instead of the American people, they want nothing more than to leave you and your family in a ditch because you don't make enough money for them, you're too old for them, and you've served your purpose for them. But they left their words in your brain and you keep using them, unaware of the fact that the people conservatives are always ranting about - those who need help from the government, don't contribute anything - that's you.
    What you do is think with your heart instead of your brain. Do you think we need a trillion dollar entitlement programs for those that actually and truly need help? What bothers me is that people like you who have no concept as to the personal expenses of others seem to know what other people can afford. Maybe they ought to take Obama's advice and give up cell phones and cable to purchase what they actually need?

    Obamacare was created behind closed doors and got not one Republican vote showing that it is nothing more than partisan legislation created by wanna be socialists. You really have no concept of neighbor helping neighbor, do you? That neighbor isn't a federal bureaucrat whose sole goal is to keep his job and buy votes with their power. You are easily swayed by rhetoric like Republicans work for corporations which is total bull****, there is just as many Democrats promoting their own corporate philosphy, i.e GM/Chrysler, the legal profession, the unions.

    Your opinion of me is irrelevant but my bet is that I give more to charity each year than you make and further I bet I have voted for more Democrats than you Republicans. You speculate a lot and all that does is show your ignorance.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Because I'm a businessman who understands Economics 101.
    No, because you don't want it to be successful, so you'll find every excuse in the world to claim it's not.

    I don't know if it will be successful or not, it's way too early to tell. But, unlike you, I'm not going to search only for facts to support my preconceived belief.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, sorry you have yet to prove who those 6-7 million are
    It was your statement, not mine.
    and why would a program that has been in place for 3 years
    It's only been available for 6 months.

    Unlike you I
    I know exactly what you are. The only reason I even bother responding to you is out of sheer entertainment and/or boredom.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    It is an impressive accomplishment considering how bad the enrollment went initially and how a lot of media reported on the problems. Oregon is still doing very poorly at signups and these numbers are highly suspect.

    But to me the bigger issue is why are we celebrating 6 million? We had 46.3 million uninsured in 2008 and that went up to 48.6 million in 2011. So, making the questionable assumptions that all of those 6 million were previously uninsured (and not people that were kicked off or cancelled their previous plan) and that all of the 6 million will actually pay, all year, for the insurance why do we celebrate STILL having 42.6 million uninsured and hardly better than 2008? And how much is this costing.

    Should be interesting. But I guess no one thinks that the ACA is some sort of universal health care anymore.

    Talk about spin.

    BTW, a lot of us would have been in favor of simply increasing the Medicaid limits and this turns out to be most of the increase.
    I don't know if anyone is celebrating 6 million so much as they are celebrating meeting their first year goals (apparently both the revised and the original, it's now reported).

    When it comes to a country of 350 million people, nothing will ever be like a light switch. That's what so many people don't understand, that things don't happen instantaneously. It'll be a gradual process, which will hopefully allow everyone who wants insurance to be allowed insurance and help lower the costs for everyone.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, because you don't want it to be successful, so you'll find every excuse in the world to claim it's not.

    I don't know if it will be successful or not, it's way too early to tell. But, unlike you, I'm not going to search only for facts to support my preconceived belief.
    It was your statement, not mine.
    It's only been available for 6 months.

    I know exactly what you are. The only reason I even bother responding to you is out of sheer entertainment and/or boredom.
    I don't know if anyone is celebrating 6 million so much as they are celebrating meeting their first year goals (apparently both the revised and the original, it's now reported).

    When it comes to a country of 350 million people, nothing will ever be like a light switch. That's what so many people don't understand, that things don't happen instantaneously. It'll be a gradual process, which will hopefully allow everyone who wants insurance to be allowed insurance and help lower the costs for everyone.
    Oh, really? When was Healthcare passed? When did the Democrats that authored the bill start implementation? You telling me that ACA only began 6 months ago? Wrong, parts went into effect almost immediately. You really are very poorly informed

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