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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

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    You need a definition for those terms? Did you go to a private school or a public school?
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    6 million down 326 million to go
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, let's face it, estimates are just that, reality is the war cost the Treasury 1.7 trillion over 10 years or 170 billion a year, 490 billion in benefits to veterans includes ALL veterans not just the Iraq War Veterans. What is really sad is that we are 6 years after the end of the war and after Bush left office and you are still reliving the Iraq years. Why is that? How did the Iraq War affect you and your family? I had three family members serve in Iraq, how about you?

    Glad you realize that health insurance is a state responsibility for that is where the uninsured expenses rest, not the national level. Why anyone would turn a personal responsibility over to a Federal Govt. that has created a 17.3 trillion dollar and growing debt is beyond comprehension. Too many people refuse to use their brain to think and instead think only with their heart
    I'm not "reliving" the Iraq years, I'm pointing out that Obamacare and the war in Iraq were approximately the same cost over the course of ten years. That's an extremely conservative estimate. You mad because you assumed that Obamacare was much more expensive and figured out you were completely wrong?

    So I take it you're also against Medicare, right? If health care is a personal responsibility that the government should keep out of, we can let veterans and the elderly figure it out for themselves. Don't forget disabled people. Can you believe the government gives handouts to people just because they can't walk, or are blind? The real disability they have is that they're too lazy to work, right? If you support providing health insurance to anybody - due to disability, status as a veteran, age, etc. -, then our disagreement is in who we should and shouldn't be helping, not whether or not it is proper for the government to provide health insurance at all. Maybe I'm wrong and you think disabled people should fend for themselves - after all, then you'd be thinking with your head, and not with your heart.

    A country that doesn't take care of its most vulnerable people isn't a country that's worth fighting for. Yes, entitlement programs (and Obamacare) need reform, but I think your stance is disgustingly hypocritical. You'll spend, spend spend when the chickenhawks shout "war" but think Uncle Sam is picking your pocket when we try to assist Americans who need health insurance.
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Mustachio;1063098632]I'm not "reliving" the Iraq years, I'm pointing out that Obamacare and the war in Iraq were approximately the same cost over the course of ten years. That's an extremely conservative estimate. You mad because you assumed that Obamacare was much more expensive and figured out you were completely wrong?
    Obamacare is an ongoing program and the costs will continue to rise, Iraq costs are basically over and you don't seem to get it, the role of the govt. is to protect us and like it or not the choice to go into Iraq was bipartisan. Obamacare never was. Obamacare hasn't even hit the tip of the iceberg yet on costs but since when do costs ever bother supporters of Obama? He has added 6.7 trillion to the debt in less than 6 years.

    So I take it you're also against Medicare, right? If health care is a personal responsibility that the government should keep out of, we can let veterans and the elderly figure it out for themselves. Don't forget disabled people. Can you believe the government gives handouts to people just because they can't walk, or are blind? The real disability they have is that they're too lazy to work, right? If you support providing health insurance to anybody - due to disability, status as a veteran, age, etc. -, then our disagreement is in who we should and shouldn't be helping, not whether or not it is proper for the government to provide health insurance at all. Maybe I'm wrong and you think disabled people should fend for themselves - after all, then you'd be thinking with your head, and not with your heart.
    Whether or not I am against Medicare is irrelevant, it is what it is, a self funding program which is part of SS. I was forced to contribute to Medicare and then was forced to take it when I turned 65. My doctor of 22 years doesn't accept Medicare so I opted out of Medicare and picked up a Medicare supplement that he does accept. Do you ever think with the brain you have? You really don't know much about the budget process, do you? We don't need Obamacare to take care of veterans and the truly disabled or people in need. Most of the 6 million or so that have been reported as signups for Obamacare actually signed up for Medicaid and that program was there long before Obamacare. Why would anyone support a govt. initiated anything since they created a 17.3 trillion dollar debt?

    A country that doesn't take care of its most vulnerable people isn't a country that's worth fighting for. Yes, entitlement programs (and Obamacare) need reform, but I think your stance is disgustingly hypocritical. You'll spend, spend spend when the chickenhawks shout "war" but think Uncle Sam is picking your pocket when we try to assist Americans who need health insurance.
    This country was built on neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor not being a federal bureaucrat. This govt. has made charitable giving more difficult and thus has become the entity that our Founders never dreamed up and the education system in this country has created a lot of people who have no idea about our Founders or history.

    I really suggest you learn more about the budget and where the dollars go. Then figure out the true role of the various governments we have, then maybe just maybe you will get it. Personal responsibility issues are not the role of the Federal govt. they belong in the states or the local communities along with neighbors helping neighbors. This bull**** about our military spending is just that, bull****. The military budget is less than 20% of the budget and that IS THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVT.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obamacare is an ongoing program and the costs will continue to rise, Iraq costs are basically over and you don't seem to get it, the role of the govt. is to protect us and like it or not the choice to go into Iraq was bipartisan. Obamacare never was. Obamacare hasn't even hit the tip of the iceberg yet on costs but since when do costs ever bother supporters of Obama? He has added 6.7 trillion to the debt in less than 6 years.



    Whether or not I am against Medicare is irrelevant, it is what it is, a self funding program which is part of SS. I was forced to contribute to Medicare and then was forced to take it when I turned 65. My doctor of 22 years doesn't accept Medicare so I opted out of Medicare and picked up a Medicare supplement that he does accept. Do you ever think with the brain you have? You really don't know much about the budget process, do you? We don't need Obamacare to take care of veterans and the truly disabled or people in need. Most of the 6 million or so that have been reported as signups for Obamacare actually signed up for Medicaid and that program was there long before Obamacare. Why would anyone support a govt. initiated anything since they created a 17.3 trillion dollar debt?



    This country was built on neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor not being a federal bureaucrat. This govt. has made charitable giving more difficult and thus has become the entity that our Founders never dreamed up and the education system in this country has created a lot of people who have no idea about our Founders or history.

    I really suggest you learn more about the budget and where the dollars go. Then figure out the true role of the various governments we have, then maybe just maybe you will get it. Personal responsibility issues are not the role of the Federal govt. they belong in the states or the local communities along with neighbors helping neighbors. This bull**** about our military spending is just that, bull****. The military budget is less than 20% of the budget and that IS THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVT.
    A great post, thanks, and one that embodies the American spirit.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    You got destroyed.. your DNC Pelosi BS is debunked..

    your childish jibberish is symantics and for children... the adults all see you are a shill..
    I think it's funny you're just repeating the same things you said before, while completely ignoring the fact I was 100% right and you were 100% wrong. Instead of attacking me to cover up you being wrong, how about you just admit I was right and move on already? Calling me childish when you're the doing little more than sticking your fingers in your ears and sticking your tongue out is quite humorous.

    At the end of the day, you don't have to buy insurance. Should you buy insurance? Yes, people should have insurance and 6 million people have done this. Is that number a big win for Obamacare? Personally, I don't see anything as really a win or loss, just a "that's reality". But the idea 6 million people electing to sign up for insurance is somehow the government stealing our freedoms is absurd.

    You don't have to buy insurance. I told you that and I was right. You do not seem to understand anything about the law. Just admit this and we'll be cool.

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I think it's funny you're just repeating the same things you said before, while completely ignoring the fact I was 100% right and you were 100% wrong. Instead of attacking me to cover up you being wrong, how about you just admit I was right and move on already? Calling me childish when you're the doing little more than sticking your fingers in your ears and sticking your tongue out is quite humorous.

    At the end of the day, you don't have to buy insurance. Should you buy insurance? Yes, people should have insurance and 6 million people have done this. Is that number a big win for Obamacare? Personally, I don't see anything as really a win or loss, just a "that's reality". But the idea 6 million people electing to sign up for insurance is somehow the government stealing our freedoms is absurd.

    You don't have to buy insurance. I told you that and I was right. You do not seem to understand anything about the law. Just admit this and we'll be cool.
    So then what exactly is being "mandated"?

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So then what exactly is being "mandated"?
    The "individual mandate" is about mandating about as much as the PATRIOT Act was about patriots
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So then what exactly is being "mandated"?
    That you either buy gov't approved "private" medical care insurance, getting federal assistance (a PPACA exchange subsidy or "free" Medicaid) if your income is low, claim a hardship exemption or pay a fine (additional income tax?) for not doing so. Since 85% now have employer provided (or subsidized) medical care insurance this "mandate" applies only to those now paying federal income tax and not covered by any gov't approved (or provided) medical care insurance.
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    Re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The "individual mandate" is about mandating about as much as the PATRIOT Act was about patriots
    So forcing to pay someone for something that they choose not to do isn't govt. forcing a private citizen to participate in a program the govt. wants? Did you ever think that this new entitlement program simply gives the govt. more money to waste? Of course not, the 250 billion in debt service is ignored. Wonder how many that would insure each and ever year?

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