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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No where have I stated 100% was the expected coverage. You assume that - however, enough people have to sign up and pay, to cover those who do not or cannot pay. Do you deny this was how the ACA was financially structured?
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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Were there a bunch of plans by the Republicans providing alternatives to the issues being addressed by the ACA?
    Define: "bunch"

    At the time, Democrats controlled both House and Senate. Republicans did not have a viable alternative plan nor did they want to provide a full take over of healthcare. They did want to amend the bill but were prevented from doing so.


    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is this not your previous claim below?
    No where in that claim do you see me stating it would be "easy", which was your allegation. That allegation is false.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Define: "bunch"

    At the time, Democrats controlled both House and Senate. Republicans did not have a viable alternative plan nor did they want to provide a full take over of healthcare. They did want to amend the bill but were prevented from doing so.
    Oh, they didn't have a viable plan, I see.

    What full takeover? Are not there still private providers and insurers? Mandates and regs have always been existent.

    They wanted to amend the Bill back then but don't want any adjustments to it NOW? Interesting how that works out.


    No where in that claim do you see me stating it would be "easy", which was your allegation. That allegation is false.
    My mistake, you just made it sound easy.
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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Probably. The ACA was predicated on three primary things: 1.) Covering 48 million uninsured 2.) Reducing the cost of health insurance 3.) The individual mandate
    Minor selling points were: Creation of jobs, reduction in family cost for insurance, no refusal for pre-existing conditions

    If 48 million needed insurance, a plan to cover them should have been put together and funded. Instead, the ACA created a plan where those who didn't need health insurance and who primarily wouldn't use it much or at all, would pay for those who did need it.
    The Affordable Care Act Helps America

    According to the White House, there were 50.7 million uninsured Americans on the 6 month anniversary of the ACA (according to the 2009 Census).

    And according to them:

    When fully implemented the Affordable Care Act will reduce the number of uninsured by 32 million

    and...

    The Affordable Care Act sets up competitive private health insurance exchanges, where uninsured individuals and small businesses can pool together to buy coverage. Health exchanges are estimated to cover 24 million people, when fully implemented.


    and...

    The Affordable Care Act expands Medicaid for individuals and families with up to 133 percent of household income. 16 million people are estimated to gain coverage because of the Medicaid expansion.


    Not the constant use of "when fully implemented".

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Oh, they didn't have a viable plan, I see.
    You want yet MORE bad ideas from politicians? Not me... less the better.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    What full takeover? Are not there still private providers and insurers? Mandates and regs have always been existent.
    The ACA affected every citizen of the U.S., there were 2000+ pages of requirements in the law, for hospitals, insurance providers.... you were unaware of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    They wanted to amend the Bill back then but don't want any adjustments to it NOW? Interesting how that works out.
    They wanted to amend the bill before it passed yes - amending a bill is easier than amending a law. You can't be new to the political process at the federal level so I must assume your post is either obtuse or just kidding.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And I think the fact that you consider a decrease in the uninsured rate to be a bad thing says a lot about your position
    What doesn't surprise me is the very low standards that you and other liberals have. You obviously ignore the 250 billion a year that we pay in debt service on the current 17.3 trillion dollar debt. Wonder how many people we could insure for that 250 billion by just giving them that money? Instead you support creation of a huge federal bureaucracy and entitlement program that you now claim has insured an additional 6 million people. Nothing surprises me with you people any more

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Assuming this is correct, which I'd bet my house it's a made-up number.....

    How many of these people actually paid? How old are they?

    This stat alone means nothing, especially if it pulled out of thin air.
    "We have no idea how many people paid their premiums, or the demographics of the enrollees, or the split between Medicaid and Private insurance.... BUT WE GOT 6 MILLION SOMETHING! WOO HOO!"
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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    "We have no idea how many people paid their premiums, or the demographics of the enrollees, or the split between Medicaid and Private insurance.... BUT WE GOT 6 MILLION SOMETHING! WOO HOO!"
    They have no clue as to how many ineligibles, duplicates or unpaid. Not exactly confidence inspiring is it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The question is how many of that 6 million have paid their premiums? Its easy to sign up. Paying for it is a different matter.
    Right wing radio talking points. Such a good little soldier you are.

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It has been mentioned on FOX.
    Mentioned is one thing. Headlines are yet another. Not that you can grasp the concept.

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    I am surprised you watch FOX.
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