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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I am not surprised to see you describe a decline in the uninsured rate as "very poor results"
    A very small decline in the uninsured rates in exchange for an across the board cost increase is what makes the PPACA unpopular.
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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    A very small decline in the uninsured rates in exchange for an across the board cost increase is what makes the PPACA unpopular.
    There is no across the board increase and a small decline is better than an increase, which was the trend before ACA.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    No, I meant the system before ACA, was it sustainable? And what makes the new one so much worse that can't be fixed?
    Probably. The ACA was predicated on three primary things: 1.) Covering 48 million uninsured 2.) Reducing the cost of health insurance 3.) The individual mandate
    Minor selling points were: Creation of jobs, reduction in family cost for insurance, no refusal for pre-existing conditions

    If 48 million needed insurance, a plan to cover them should have been put together and funded. Instead, the ACA created a plan where those who didn't need health insurance and who primarily wouldn't use it much or at all, would pay for those who did need it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Probably. The ACA was predicated on three primary things: 1.) Covering 48 million uninsured 2.) Reducing the cost of health insurance 3.) The individual mandate
    Minor selling points were: Creation of jobs, reduction in family cost for insurance, no refusal for pre-existing conditions

    If 48 million needed insurance, a plan to cover them should have been put together and funded. Instead, the ACA created a plan where those who didn't need health insurance and who primarily wouldn't use it much or at all, would pay for those who did need it.
    Then why didn't all those opposing voices come up with a better plan? If it's as easy as you have indicated, surely those Congress People have access to experts with recommendations? It's not like these rising costs and uncovered people haven't been around for awhile.
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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Then why didn't all those opposing voices come up with a better plan?
    Not sure if you recall but Democrats did not allow opposing voices. The ACA was passed with no Republican votes for a reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If it's as easy as you have indicated, surely those Congress People have access to experts with recommendations? It's not like these rising costs and uncovered people haven't been around for awhile.
    That's a strawman, no where have I indicated it was or could be easy.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Probably. The ACA was predicated on three primary things: 1.) Covering 48 million uninsured 2.) Reducing the cost of health insurance 3.) The individual mandate
    Minor selling points were: Creation of jobs, reduction in family cost for insurance, no refusal for pre-existing conditions

    If 48 million needed insurance, a plan to cover them should have been put together and funded. Instead, the ACA created a plan where those who didn't need health insurance and who primarily wouldn't use it much or at all, would pay for those who did need it.
    Your entire post is inaccurate, and ACA was never expected to result in 100% coverage. Even in many nations with UHC, there isn't 100% coverage
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your entire post is inaccurate, and ACA was never expected to result in 100% coverage. Even in many nations with UHC, there isn't 100% coverage
    No where have I stated 100% was the expected coverage. You assume that - however, enough people have to sign up and pay, to cover those who do not or cannot pay. Do you deny this was how the ACA was financially structured?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Not sure if you recall but Democrats did not allow opposing voices. The ACA was passed with no Republican votes for a reason.
    Were there a bunch of plans by the Republicans providing alternatives to the issues being addressed by the ACA?



    That's a strawman, no where have I indicated it was or could be easy.
    Is this not your previous claim below?


    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If 48 million needed insurance, a plan to cover them should have been put together and funded.
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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Obamacare tops 6 million signups - Mar. 27, 2014


    Funny, no mention of this on Fox? Shocking I tell you. Shocking.
    The question is how many of that 6 million have paid their premiums? Its easy to sign up. Paying for it is a different matter.
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    re: Obamacare tops 6 million signups [W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Obamacare tops 6 million signups - Mar. 27, 2014


    Funny, no mention of this on Fox? Shocking I tell you. Shocking.

    It has been mentioned on FOX. I am surprised you watch FOX.
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