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    Re: Controversy over Ukraine's Tymoshenko 'wipe out Russians' leak

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The Neo Nazis of the Ukraine. Man, what did we get into here.

    From video: "Those who like Russia, let them move to Russia. Ukraine is for Ukrainians." Sounds reasonable to me. I don't see anything "neo-Nazi" about that whatsoever.

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    Re: Controversy over Ukraine's Tymoshenko 'wipe out Russians' leak

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    From video: "Those who like Russia, let them move to Russia. Ukraine is for Ukrainians." Sounds reasonable to me. I don't see anything "neo-Nazi" about that whatsoever.
    I guess you missed the a little bit like Hitler stuff. Over and above that, Crimea was given to Ukraine by Khrushchev in 1954. Since you say Ukraine is for Ukrainians, shouldn't Crimea, with it's majority Russian population, that was given to Ukraine, now be given to Russia?

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    Re: Controversy over Ukraine's Tymoshenko 'wipe out Russians' leak

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I guess you missed a little bit like Hitler stuff. Over and above that, Crimea was given to Ukraine by Khrushchev in 1954. Since you say Ukraine is for Ukrainians, shouldn't Crimea, with it's majority Russian population, that was given to Ukraine, now be given to Russia?
    No. It has a majority "ethnic" Russian population of only 54%. This is because of mass deportation and genocide of non-ethnic Russians. Second, you got no business talking about opposition to Nazism since your view is that people SHOULD be divided up singularly along ethnic lines in pure ethnic segregation.

    Tell me, in your opinion since its your point, what is an "ethnic Russian?" When did "Russian" become an ethnicity?

    What he said is those who like Russia should move to Russia because Ukraine is for Ukranians. HE made NO reference to race. BUT, to ETHNIC AND RACIAL SEGREGATIONISTS LIKE YOU it isn't about nationality at all, ONLY about "ethnicity."

    What state do you want "ethnic Italians" to be relocated to in the USA? What about Latinos? Since you support ethnic segregation - which Putin has already announced he is going to follow Stalin's plan and wipe out Tartar Muslims in Crimea - which is originally their territory since you like to talk about history - draw up a map of how you want the USA divided up into various ethnic sectors?

    Ukrainians have generations of reasons to hate Russia. So do native Crimeans. That Russia militarily seized and cruelly subjugated Ukrainians and Crimeans in the past doesn't make it rightly the property of Russia - though you seem to believe also in the legitimacy of gaining territory by mass exterminations, death camps and deportation to slave labor camps.

    Granted, Putin wants to create you racially and ethnically segregated world. The "Nazi" view seems to be yours.

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    Re: Controversy over Ukraine's Tymoshenko 'wipe out Russians' leak

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    From video: "Those who like Russia, let them move to Russia. Ukraine is for Ukrainians." Sounds reasonable to me. I don't see anything "neo-Nazi" about that whatsoever.
    You do know they mean White, non-Jewish Ukrainians, don't you?

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    Re: Controversy over Ukraine's Tymoshenko 'wipe out Russians' leak

    Every leader of every Jewish group in the Ukraine signed a letter opposing Russia's action in Crimea.

    It is Russia that has caused the rise in militant nationalism and created the chaos.

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    Re: Controversy over Ukraine's Tymoshenko 'wipe out Russians' leak

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You do know they mean White, non-Jewish Ukrainians, don't you?
    Putin is no friend of Jews and your hatred of Muslims is noted. No one in Ukraine was trying to forcible "relocate" Jews out of Ukraine. Putin is forcibly removing Muslims from Crimea.

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    Re: Controversy over Ukraine's Tymoshenko 'wipe out Russians' leak

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Putin is no friend of Jews and your hatred of Muslims is noted. No one in Ukraine was trying to forcible "relocate" Jews out of Ukraine. Putin is forcibly removing Muslims from Crimea.
    I don't know what is causing your hallucinations, but I'd get it checked if I were you. Otherwise you are a LIAR, big-time. Provide any link, anywhere that indicates a hatred of Muslims by me. It can't be done, but I know from your posts of your ethnicity and you are one that the NeoNazis want to eliminate. Wake up.

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    Re: Controversy over Ukraine's Tymoshenko 'wipe out Russians' leak

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I don't know what is causing your hallucinations, but I'd get it checked if I were you. Otherwise you are a LIAR, big-time. Provide any link, anywhere that indicates a hatred of Muslims by me. It can't be done, but I know from your posts of your ethnicity and you are one that the NeoNazis want to eliminate. Wake up.
    In the video, what is said is that they want Ukraine to be for Ukrainians. If anyone wants to be a Russian, go to Russia. There is nothing about ethnicity in that.

    There is not such thing as "ethnic Russians." There are people who speak Russian. A language does not make an ethnicity. But it does to Putin and apparently to you too.

    It is Putin that is into ethnicity, declaring he is going to "relocate" ethnic Tartar Muslims. The Ukraine government was allowing Tartar Muslims to return to the land stolen from them by Stalin (and many of their relatives murdered by Stalin).

    You have no problem with that, despite that meaning the removal of over 100,000 Muslims sent off to Siberian (again) or where-ever. Putin is a hero in your book by your messages.

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    Re: Controversy over Ukraine's Tymoshenko 'wipe out Russians' leak

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No. It has a majority "ethnic" Russian population of only 54%. This is because of mass deportation and genocide of non-ethnic Russians. Second, you got no business talking about opposition to Nazism since your view is that people SHOULD be divided up singularly along ethnic lines in pure ethnic segregation.

    Tell me, in your opinion since its your point, what is an "ethnic Russian?" When did "Russian" become an ethnicity?

    What he said is those who like Russia should move to Russia because Ukraine is for Ukranians. HE made NO reference to race. BUT, to ETHNIC AND RACIAL SEGREGATIONISTS LIKE YOU it isn't about nationality at all, ONLY about "ethnicity."

    What state do you want "ethnic Italians" to be relocated to in the USA? What about Latinos? Since you support ethnic segregation - which Putin has already announced he is going to follow Stalin's plan and wipe out Tartar Muslims in Crimea - which is originally their territory since you like to talk about history - draw up a map of how you want the USA divided up into various ethnic sectors?

    Ukrainians have generations of reasons to hate Russia. So do native Crimeans. That Russia militarily seized and cruelly subjugated Ukrainians and Crimeans in the past doesn't make it rightly the property of Russia - though you seem to believe also in the legitimacy of gaining territory by mass exterminations, death camps and deportation to slave labor camps.

    Granted, Putin wants to create you racially and ethnically segregated world. The "Nazi" view seems to be yours.
    Well that was quite a bit of running without any traction. First of all according to the 2001 Ukrainian census, around 60 percent of Crimea was Russian.

    There is one of two things going on here. Either you are deliberately creating a deception by trying to mask your own assertion that it's reasonable that Ukraine is for Ukrainians, or you are inadvertently projecting your Nazi like, segregationist sentiment onto me, to relieve your self of the pressure of your own lack of satisfaction with yourself. Either way, the point is that you are the one who put forward the notion that the position of the person in that video that Ukraine is for Ukrainians is reasonable. My point is that if you feel that way, then a logical result of that would be that Crimea should be returned to Russia, since the majority, 60 percent, of the people there are Russian and it was given to the Ukraine as a gift by the Soviet leadership in Moscow. You can talk about how the Russians treated the native people of Crimea, but I would point out that Crimea was a part of Russia long before the last native Americans were brutally killed and kicked off of their land by people of Europe or of European descent. So if you feel that way, do you feel that the native Americans should be given their land back and the Europeans should go back to Europe?

    BTW, my ancestors were brought here as slaves from Africa. I would be satisfied with 40 acres of my choosing and a mule as compensation. I want my 40 acres right smack in the middle of Manhattan!!!

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    Re: Controversy over Ukraine's Tymoshenko 'wipe out Russians' leak

    Germany accused Tymoshenko of engaging in violent fantasies that crossed the line.

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    Tymoshenko’s 'violent fantasies' cross the line, says Germany

    Germany said yesterday that Ukraine’s former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko had crossed a line with leaked comments in which she is heard urging the “wiping out” of Russians.

    Chancellor Angela Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert said Ukraine’s political leadership must reject “violent fantasies” and strive for stability and inclusion of minorities.

    “Despite all opposition to Russian actions in Crimea and all differences of opinion, even fundamental ones, there are of course lines in speech and thought that must not be crossed, and violent images, violent fantasies lie far beyond those lines,” he told reporters.

    He said the Ukrainian government must serve “all parts of the population and all regions”.

    “Stabilisation of the country and reconciliation are crucial, and that is what the German government with its international partners wants to foster on the way to free and fair elections at the end of May,” Seibert said, adding: “Escalation must be avoided on that path.”

    Tymoshenko, a highly controversial figure in both Ukraine and Russia who was released from jail last month, is heard on the tape saying: “One has to take up arms and go wipe out these damn ‘katsaps’ together with their leader.”

    The word “katsap” is a Ukrainian slur against Russians.

    Tymoshenko, the 53-year-old leader of the 2004 pro-democracy “Orange Revolution”, confirmed the voice on the recording broadcast by Russian television was hers but said some of the remarks had been manipulated.

    During the conversation, Tymoshenko is said to discuss Russia’s seizure of Ukraine’s Russian-speaking peninsula of Crimea with Ukrainian MP and former government official Nestor Shufrych.

    Tymoshenko received treatment at a Berlin clinic for severe back pain this month after her release from jail and returned to Kiev last week.

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