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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    bargain for what?
    For whatever they damn well want. There's nothing sacred being violated here. This is pure and simple application of negotiating strength. Can they leverage their power to make themselves better off? They sure bring a lot of money-earning capacity to the school.

    their whole college experience depends on them being students.
    Who says that students can't get paid while going to school?

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    why should a kid that can perform really well at something not be given a scholarship? it is in exchange for them performing.
    smart kids that are in need have access to all kinds of scholarships and grants offered by the school.

    so i guess they should be considered employee's of the school as well.

    there is no such thing as sand castle building scholarships or video game scholarships. those are things that colleges do not offer.
    What does the mission of a University have to do with how far someone can throw a discus?

    Why is the talent of throwing a discus rewarded with a scholarship at the expense of the talent of, say, mathematics?

    Athletic scholarships are a bad idea that is out of control in today's academics.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    For whatever they damn well want. There's nothing sacred being violated here. This is pure and simple application of negotiating strength. Can they leverage their power to make themselves better off? They sure bring a lot of money-earning capacity to the school.



    Who says that students can't get paid while going to school?
    NCAA says they can't get paid that is who.

    no i mean they are not employee's they do not work for the college they are not on the payroll. their scholarships are contingent on making the grades. if they do not make the grades then they get put on suspension and not allowed to play. if it continues they can lose their scholarships.

    so how can you bargain against someone that you do not work for?

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    !!! You've GOT to be kidding me!
    nope

    Northwestern University's president emeritus said that if the players on its football team are successful at forming a union, he could see the prestigious private institution giving up Division I football.
    Will Northwestern University football unionize? - CNN.com

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    What does the mission of a University have to do with how far someone can throw a discus?

    Why is the talent of throwing a discus rewarded with a scholarship at the expense of the talent of, say, mathematics?

    Athletic scholarships are a bad idea that is out of control in today's academics.
    that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

    i played sports when i was i high school and my grades were higher for it as well because you had to make the GPA to play.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they do educate and provide education to thousands of kids who wouldn't get a chance to afford college.
    you don't know what you are talking about.
    No, actually the State provides loans and grants to the majority of university students since they wouldn't otherwise be able to afford it because of skyrocketing tuition resulting from sports expenses and campus beautification projects. You're never going to convince anyone of that hogwash while universities like Ohio State spend over $100 million on athletics while slashing the budget of its College of Arts and Sciences.
    Last edited by Napoleon; 03-26-14 at 08:41 PM.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    NCAA says they can't get paid that is who.
    The NCAA is not God throwing down lightning bolts from the sky. The NCAA is run by institutions for the benefit of institutions and give only lip service to the welfare of students. They could change their position and balance their governing board by putting student-athlete activists on it whose mission is to favor the athlete-students before favoring the institutions, you know a balanced approach.

    The NCAA is simply a "power at the moment." The student-athletes are challenging that power.

    no i mean they are not employee's they do not work for the college they are not on the payroll. their scholarships are contingent on making the grades. if they do not make the grades then they get put on suspension and not allowed to play. if it continues they can lose their scholarships.
    Those are the rules of the game at this moment in time. Rules get changed all the time.

    so how can you bargain against someone that you do not work for?
    Simple. You twist their arm until it hurts them and they cry uncle. Then they come to the bargaining table and negotiate.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

    i played sports when i was i high school and my grades were higher for it as well because you had to make the GPA to play.
    I'm not saying sports are bad at all.
    My kids have all been in sports, mostly swimming, and the focus and concentration on the sport helped them significantly in school.

    But that doesnt mean they should go to college because they are good swimmers. They should go because they are good students.
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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Hell will freeze over first.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I'm not saying sports are bad at all.
    My kids have all been in sports, mostly swimming, and the focus and concentration on the sport helped them significantly in school.

    But that doesnt mean they should go to college because they are good swimmers. They should go because they are good students.
    1.) There is a pragmatic level to this issue. College sports bring in big money for schools. Not every sport, of course, but in the aggregate. That money helps other parts of the school.
    2.) College sports tie alumni closer to the school. Look at American universities compared to Canadian, British, Australian, Japanese, German, etc and you see alumni engagement (and financial support) at huge multiples of what we see elsewhere.
    3.) If schools applied your solution, the US Department of Justice would investigate them for racial discrimination. Minority students have a very difficult time competing for admission simply on the basis of academic performance. Sports are one avenue of admission which benefits them at greater rates than other populations.

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