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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What do you mean, they are not joined in the rest of the world? They certainly aren't on another planet!

    And how will unionizing fix this? Unless you are suggesting that you would be perfectly fine if there was no such thing as college sports.

    There are other ways they can deal with the greediness. There can be RULES put into effect. I agree that some of the things the colleges pull are very fair, but unionizing isn't the way to go IMO.
    While your world stops at the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, there are other parts of the world that have Universities. And no big time college sports. In fact, its the entire world except for the US.

    I dont think unionizing would reallly fix it. I think colleges need to drop D1 athletic programs entirely. They can lease their names out to some professional league. Rent out their stadiums. Get merchandising rights if they want.

    But going thru the charade of pretending these are 'student athletes' needs to go.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they were paid. they got a free ride to college with all books, classes, free room and board, free trainers, free medical staff, free training room etc..
    None of that will feed a baby or buy diapers.

    That's the way I saw it when I was that age.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And how will unionizing fix this? Unless you are suggesting that you would be perfectly fine if there was no such thing as college sports.
    There will still be college sports. It's a supply/demand issue.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you post as if every employee must remain content with whatever compensation his employer chooses to pay him for his labor. and in 'at will' employment, that is the circumstance. but if an employee wants to negotiate terms and conditions of employment, he must participate as a bargaining unit. which is what the players at northwestern did
    Are you saying that people that are not part of a Union, can't bargain with their employer for a raise? That is false. But, calling the students, "employees" is deception at best, and propaganda in the normal function of agitprop bullying that Unions engage in. IF the students don't like their status with the University, then leave....I am sure there are no walls with armed guards keeping them there.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Rather see the NFL/NBA put in a system ala MLB minor leagues. If kids want to play basketball or football and get paid, they can go there. If they want free education, they can go play at a university.

    Of course the NCAA won't go for it because they'll lose money. The NFL won't because they lose their free development league.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    While your world stops at the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, there are other parts of the world that have Universities. And no big time college sports. In fact, its the entire world except for the US.

    I dont think unionizing would reallly fix it. I think colleges need to drop D1 athletic programs entirely. They can lease their names out to some professional league. Rent out their stadiums. Get merchandising rights if they want.

    But going thru the charade of pretending these are 'student athletes' needs to go.
    But they are student athletes. You see, they are athletes but they are also students, hence "student athletes."

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    There will still be college sports. It's a supply/demand issue.
    It wouldn't be like it is now. I'll bet many colleges would have to scrap their sports programs altogether. That sucks.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are you saying that people that are not part of a Union, can't bargain with their employer for a raise?
    who said that? certainly wasn't me.
    here is what i actually posted ... let's stay with that:
    you post as if every employee must remain content with whatever compensation his employer chooses to pay him for his labor. and in 'at will' employment, that is the circumstance. but if an employee wants to negotiate terms and conditions of employment, he must participate as a bargaining unit. which is what the players at northwestern did

    That is false.
    you post a fallacious statement and then you declare that erroneous statement to be false. too clever by half

    But, calling the students, "employees" is deception at best, and propaganda in the normal function of agitprop bullying that Unions engage in.
    employees is what the court found those ball playing members of the university to be
    you then equate the court's finding them to be employees as propaganda and union bullying

    IF the students don't like their status with the University, then leave....I am sure there are no walls with armed guards keeping them there.
    that could be said of any group of employees seeking union representation. and your argument would be just as wrongheaded with them as with the players now unionized



    My point was clear.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    who said that? certainly wasn't me.
    here is what i actually posted ... let's stay with that:
    Who said that? You did bubba, and you posted it again for clarification...When you said:

    " you post as if every employee must remain content with whatever compensation his employer chooses to pay him for his labor."

    That was you mischaracterizing my comment, then you went on to say:

    "and in 'at will' employment, that is the circumstance."

    No, that is NOT the circumstance. Each individual is able to go to his or her employer and negotiate with them for a raise, for better benefits, or to find work elsewhere....

    But it didn't stop there, you finished up with:

    "but if an employee wants to negotiate terms and conditions of employment, he must participate as a bargaining unit."

    Which is complete and utter bull. People negotiate terms, and conditions of employment every time they agree to work somewhere...At one time in my life I was a part of the Teamsters for a job, and that wasn't up to me. In order to work for that employer I was told that I must be a part of the union....When someone is offered a job, they are told what the job pays, what the benefits are, and it is at that point that they can ask for more, accept the terms, or decide not to work there and continue looking.

    Your premise that only those in a union can negotiate is nonsense.

    you post a fallacious statement and then you declare that erroneous statement to be false. too clever by half
    Not being clever, it doesn't take that to see through your bs.

    employees is what the court found those ball playing members of the university to be
    you then equate the court's finding them to be employees as propaganda and union bullying
    What "court"? The OP was this:

    (CNN) -- The National Labor Relations Board in Chicago has ruled that football players at Northwestern University are employees and can unionize, the school said Wednesday.
    The ruling has not yet been posted to the National Labor Relations Board website, but in a statement, Northwestern acknowledged the ruling and says it plans to appeal.
    Northwestern fought the petition by saying its players are students, not employees.
    Is the NLRB now a "court" in your mind?

    that could be said of any group of employees seeking union representation. and your argument would be just as wrongheaded with them as with the players now unionized
    All you are saying here is that you support unions....Shocking I tell ya....But it seems that with participation at, or near 7% nationwide you are in a minority, of a minority.

    like ****, it was
    Your inability to comprehend is not my problem.

    my challenge is for you to point to any rule broken by me within this thread
    Your attempt here to try and get me to discuss it, is in itself a violation, but I won't do that because the rules are clearly accessible for anyone to click on and see bubba, and I am not a 'mod' so as you well know it is a violation to act as though I am one....I can offer you a link to the rules here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/forum-...rum-rules.html

    And only suggest that you read #3 and #4.

    Any further clarity you need, I suggest you contact a moderator and discuss it with them.
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