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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    these are workers in a workplace who have just formed a bargaining unit
    the employer will lose big if it refuses to negotiate in good faith. booting the players out, revoking their scholarships, and billing them for their accrued scholarship expenditures would hardly be viewed by the folks at DoL who oversee labor relations activities as negotiating in good faith, as is required by federal law...
    These are NOT workers (communist term btw), they are offered compensation in the form of a scholarship that as I pointed out, costs $176,000 for four years. The ones failing to be honest in their negotiations are the student athletes threatening the Universities with Unions.

    have no idea what point you were attempting to make there
    It was laid out right there in black and white, sangha's question, and my answer...Sorry you can't offer rebuttal.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    and some do that. I had a cousin who was a pitcher in HS. He had the KC Royals, the Cards, and the Cubs all wanting him right out of HS to join their farm systems. All offered more money than he'd ever seen to go with them, he also was offered several free rides to different colleges. He chose the free ride.

    Well, second year in the school's trainer ruined his arm. Tore the hell out of his shoulder and his pitching career was finished. They still honored his scholarship all the way til graduation.

    I know not all schools do this, but they all should.
    Damn, sorry to hear that....I hate to see a career ended before the big's....I am glad that the college honored their commitment to finish his education, something for most that is more valuable in the long run anyway. But this is why the only caveat I have is for these schools to set aside injury funds.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Damn, sorry to hear that....I hate to see a career ended before the big's....I am glad that the college honored their commitment to finish his education, something for most that is more valuable in the long run anyway. But this is why the only caveat I have is for these schools to set aside injury funds.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    These are NOT workers (communist term btw), they are offered compensation in the form of a scholarship that as I pointed out, costs $176,000 for four years. The ones failing to be honest in their negotiations are the student athletes threatening the Universities with Unions.
    What 'negotiations?' They're given a take it or leave it deal, and that deal is as a result of collusion between all the members of the U.S. football cartel, who have agreed among themselves to artificially set limit compensation paid to college players who are the backbone of a multi-$billion business. If there was any kind of 'negotiation,' Johnny Manziel (and many others) would insist on and be granted the permission to sell his jersey, sell his signature, sell his underwear, and put his services as QB up for bid among competing teams, who would no doubt agree to pay him FAR more than the value of an annual scholarship.

    All the colleges and universities in D1 have formed a cartel, established a governing entity (NCAA) with dictatorial powers to rule over college players, and these entities along with the overtly socialist NFL have agreed on a wage scale, work rules and more that applies to every single college football player. And for a football player interested in playing professionally, this is their only career option. But if a few members of a single team form a union to negotiate with this behemoth cartel and dictatorial NCAA, the PLAYERS are the ones who are not being 'honest' in their so-called 'negotiations.' It's a pretty absurd position.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What 'negotiations?'...
    The negotiations between promising HS prospects, coaches, parents, etc.....Don't tell me that doesn't go on.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The negotiations between promising HS prospects, coaches, parents, etc.....Don't tell me that doesn't go on.
    I suppose that's true. It's been a while, but a close family friend was fond of giving literal $100 handshakes to some of his favorite players. I didn't have a problem with it then, and don't now. But if that's what you're talking about, or other underhanded 'negotiating' methods, all you're doing is defending a system that rewards cheaters, and punishes schools (and kids) that play by the rules.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I suppose that's true. It's been a while, but a close family friend was fond of giving literal $100 handshakes to some of his favorite players. I didn't have a problem with it then, and don't now. But if that's what you're talking about, or other underhanded 'negotiating' methods, all you're doing is defending a system that rewards cheaters, and punishes schools (and kids) that play by the rules.
    No, I am defending a system that takes underprivilaged, underserved kids, that never in a million years would get into these institutions, and brings them aboard, and holds their hands to graduation, giving them the best opportunity they'll ever get in the name of a sport they are good at. And doing that to the tune of $200K or better when all is said and done.

    So, advocate for doing away with that if you wish, Lord knows it ain't perfect. But, I wouldn't want to be the ones advocating for holding these kids down in the name of some pipe dream of "equality'' fueled by pure greed of young 20 somethings and backed by thug unions.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    These are NOT workers (communist term btw), they are offered compensation in the form of a scholarship that as I pointed out, costs $176,000 for four years. The ones failing to be honest in their negotiations are the student athletes threatening the Universities with Unions.
    you post as if every employee must remain content with whatever compensation his employer chooses to pay him for his labor. and in 'at will' employment, that is the circumstance. but if an employee wants to negotiate terms and conditions of employment, he must participate as a bargaining unit. which is what the players at northwestern did



    It was laid out right there in black and white, sangha's question, and my answer...Sorry you can't offer rebuttal.
    then you don't know what point you were trying to make either
    finally one element of agreement
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    They are not joined in the rest of the world. Maybe that's why the education standards in other countries seem to be so much better.

    But this is about greed. It's about the NCAA getting free labor and having no problems with colleges fielding football teams of academically weak players who will never graduate.
    What do you mean, they are not joined in the rest of the world? They certainly aren't on another planet!

    And how will unionizing fix this? Unless you are suggesting that you would be perfectly fine if there was no such thing as college sports.

    There are other ways they can deal with the greediness. There can be RULES put into effect. I agree that some of the things the colleges pull are very fair, but unionizing isn't the way to go IMO.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you post as if every employee must remain content with whatever compensation his employer chooses to pay him for his labor. and in 'at will' employment, that is the circumstance. but if an employee wants to negotiate terms and conditions of employment, he must participate as a bargaining unit. which is what the players at northwestern did
    They are not employee's they are students. without being a student making grades they cannot play football.
    can they play football at a college without being an student?

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