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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    every student does not qualify for an academic scholarship
    just as every athlete does not for an athletic one
    most students have to borrow to attend college
    and if a student believes they will graduate then they cannot afford not to take out a loan
    the cost of attending college will soon be retired from the extra money they earned because they acquired a degree

    but those on athletic scholarship should be able to earn money from their labors ... to return to the thread topic
    And how about really bright 1st year Medical students on a academic medical scholarship? I guess they should be able to see patients too eh?

    Now, if you want to say that the student athletes want to have a say in equipment, injury treatment, with funds set aside by to remediate future consequences of their activity today then I would say that is fair...But, to muddy the argument by calling them "employees" or arguing that they should be actually paid to play a sport that is the gateway into possible millions in the NFL, is the epitome of greedy if you ask me.
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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Do you have any IDEA how much it costs to go to college nowadays?
    duh, yea. have two young adults with degrees. one with a masters
    but i did the math when i had them both in day care at the same time, and realized then that if i could afford to put them in day care, i would be able to afford to send them to college

    No, scholarships are important.
    make up your mind
    my position is the players should be able to negotiate for additional benefits
    now, all of a sudden you are concerned about the students having access to college funding
    does that mean you have wisely changed your position on this issue

    A lot of people cannot afford to pay back student loans even AFTER they graduate. A lot of college graduates are having a VERY difficult finding work for one thing.
    the data says you are woefully wrong on this, too:
    ... According to the College Board, annual tuition and fees averaged $8,655 at public four-year colleges and $29,056 at private four-year schools as of October 2012. These costs don't include living expenses and textbooks or reductions for financial aid. Higher education still pays, however, because the average college graduate receives higher yearly and lifetime earnings than a high school graduate.
    The average one-year difference in earnings for a college graduate over a high school graduate will pay nearly two-and-a-half years of tuition and fees at a four-year public college. With a high school diploma only, the average full-time worker earned $652 per week in 2012, or $33,904 for 52 weeks, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Bachelor's degree graduates earned an average of $1,066 per week, or $55,432 annually -- a difference of $21,528 per year. The BLS statistics include only full-time workers ages 25 and older.
    How Much More Money Does a College Graduate Make Than Just a High School Graduate? | Everyday Life - Global Post
    emphasis added by bubba to make a much needed point
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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Good Lord! College is continuing education and NOT a job no matter what sports you participate in! This whole thing is just silly to me, and I hope it's overturned. If players feel like colleges are exploiting them, then there are other ways to deal with that.
    ways of dealing you have been unable to articulate
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

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    Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize - CNN.com



    This will change college athletics forever.

    If football players get paid, what about the golf team, the women's soccer team, the water polo team, etc? Will those sports be dropped altogether? If athletes strike, do they forfeit their scholarships? Can a team at one school strike on its own? Do athletes at Texas get a piece of the Longhorn Network revenues? Where is this going to go?

    Funny, I thought getting an entire college education paid for at a major university was quite a reward to begin with, not to mention the unlimited amount of exposure that could lead to a lucrative pro career for the elite players.

    I think this kills college athletics altogether except for football and men's basketball. Problem is, Title IX requires a school to offset the scholarships with women's sports, so it might even kill football and basketball, too at smaller schools.
    You know what? now Northwestern should be forbidden from handing out football scholarships.

    These bozo's aren't "employees" of Northwestern - they're college students.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    duh, yea. have two young adults with degrees. one with a masters
    but i did the math when i had them both in day care at the same time, and realized then that if i could afford to put them in day care, i would be able to afford to send them to college


    make up your mind
    my position is the players should be able to negotiate for additional benefits
    now, all of a sudden you are concerned about the students having access to college funding
    does that mean you have wisely changed your position on this issue


    the data says you are woefully wrong on this, too:

    How Much More Money Does a College Graduate Make Than Just a High School Graduate? | Everyday Life - Global Post
    emphasis added by bubba to make a much needed point
    A lot of colleges are probably going to drop athletic scholarship programs. That means less kids with access to college no matter how much you try to make it sound like a good thing. The scholarship IS the benefit. They are not employees. They are students.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And how about really bright 1st year Medical students on a academic medical scholarship? I guess they should be able to see patients too eh?

    Now, if you want to say that the student athletes want to have a say in equipment, injury treatment, with funds set aside by to remediate future consequences of their activity today then I would say that is fair...But, to muddy the argument by calling them "employees" or arguing that they should be actually paid to play a sport that is the gateway into possible millions in the NFL, is the epitome of greedy if you ask me.
    Exactly. It's so silly to claim that they are employees of the school! Does that mean high school athletes are employees of the school as well? High school athletic associations make money off games too.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I don't know: I think colleges have taken extreme advantage of football players without giving them much else save for a scholarship. They put them through the ringer, exhaust them, injure them, celebritize them, center the entire school and all else around them and their sacrifice and success.

    They uplift college football too much. It needs to be bumped down a notch or two.

    Now whether unionizing will be the appropriate path for this, I'm not sure.
    Wow, yeah they only get a free ride to one of the best schools in the United States.

    I believe these players deserve some sort of compensation but I also believe NFL teams should be allowed to draft players out of high school. IMO, if that were to happen the NFL teams who drafted them could pay for their schooling and their allowance money, and if a college team has a player on their roster who hasn't been drafted and isn't on a football scholarship then that players education should be free as long as they meet the academic requirements.

    So, if they want to unionize then they can unionize with the NFLPA.

    My idea would certainly make the draft more interesting.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yes you are. the past 10 posts have done nothing but defend them..
    You misinterpreted then, nothing more.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    how elitist of you.

    we should do what other countries do like china if you don't pass the test then you go work on a farm or factory somewhere and any formal education is out of the question.
    /sarcasm.

    no i was being honest. if they want money then go get a job. if they want something that will forever grant them more money even after college then a degree is the way to go.
    the chances of them getting into pro sports is slim to none.

    only 10-20% of high school students get scholarships to play sports. only 2 maybe 3% of them make it to the pro's.
    the rest go undrafted and un-signed and having a college degree to fall back on is better than nothing.
    If it seems elitist of me it's cause that's my experience. Only a fraction make a serious effort and those should be identified early on and given the limited federal aid. Everyone else can piss off to self pay.

    No one wants to hire those athletes who get tutors doing all the work for them and A- from grad student teachers/fans for a two paragraph snooze fest recounting the Rosa Parks saga. Even if they do finish the degree most of them are *not employable*

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ways of dealing you have been unable to articulate
    That's not true, and anyone can go back and check on that. You just refuse to acknowledge my suggestions.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Wow, yeah they only get a free ride to one of the best schools in the United States.

    I believe these players deserve some sort of compensation but I also believe NFL teams should be allowed to draft players out of high school. IMO, if that were to happen the NFL teams who drafted them could pay for their schooling and their allowance money, and if a college team has a player on their roster who hasn't been drafted and isn't on a football scholarship then that players education should be free as long as they meet the academic requirements.

    So, if they want to unionize then they can unionize with the NFLPA.

    My idea would certainly make the draft more interesting.
    I'm thinking 'broad scale', not just this one particular case and school but college football altogether - and a lot of colleges suck. Regardless - I think they're often exploited.

    You know how others herald teams like the 49ers and such? That's the pedestal that college players are at in the South - they generate far more revenue than their scholarships weigh in at. In fact, the states pay far more for the coaches salaries than the team player's scholarships combined, I bet.

    I think that is exploitation 100%.
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