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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There could be rules on how the colleges are allowed to market their players, how much they're allowed to spend on their sports programs, etc.
    and would the players be involved in establishing those new rules?
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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

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    and would the players be involved in establishing those new rules?
    How the hell should I know? I'm just commenting on a message board. I think student athletes unionizing is not good for other students or for colleges who couldn't compete with the big money colleges.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How the hell should I know? I'm just commenting on a message board. I think student athletes unionizing is not good for other students or for colleges who couldn't compete with the big money colleges.
    you insisted there were other ways to effect change instead of unionizing
    i assumed you had some answers
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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you insisted there were other ways to effect change instead of unionizing
    i assumed you had some answers
    I just gave you a couple of ideas. Better than the student athletes being able to make unreasonable demands from the colleges.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I just gave you a couple of ideas. Better than the student athletes being able to make unreasonable demands from the colleges.
    no. you offered no real alternatives
    in contrast, the northwestern athletes did
    they now have an opportunity to negotiate for change in a way that no longer existed
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    because this has nothing to do with the topic. the topic is about student athletes being considered employee's it has nothing to do with NCAA rules.
    This is how conversations work bud. The discussion naturally progresses to related issues. Look around. Why do you think this story has reignited a national dialogue on pay-for-play? In fact, the only reason the story got any national coverage at all was because of its obvious implication on the more important issue of pay-for-play and NCAA ByLaw 12.1.2.

    If you believe i'm actually derailing this thread quit your bitching and report me.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And you can't see how this is going to make things 10 times worse?
    No. I don't. Please explain it to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    For another thing, the smaller colleges that can't afford to compete are going to be left out in the cold. The ones who can afford to "pay" their student athletes are going to keep pulling in ALL the money.
    Sorry that's already the way it is. The best athletes go to the top tier programs that can offer them huge scholarships and the chance to play in BCS bowls and get national exposure to NFL scouts. Little schools get the leftovers. That's the way it's been for a half century, it's nothing new.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Then, we're going to get things like salary caps. It's ridiculous.
    So? Why is it ridiculous?

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    They are student athletes, not professionals. It doesn't matter how good they are, they are still students attending an academic institution and representing that institution when they play.
    Student athlete is a bogus term invented by the NCAA. Universities are compensating athletes to perform a service that can generate tens of millions of dollars in profit for the school. Unless we get rid of athletic scholarships altogether, they are effectively professionals.

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    It's just opening the door to all kinds of ridiculous demands on colleges,
    How so? Like what?

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    and I see academics suffering as a result, more so in some than others of course.
    Why would this cause academics to suffer? It wouldn't force any school to spend a dime more on athletics then they want to.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are they going to demand payment and have to have salary caps too? This is not good for the overall bigger picture.
    The players can't force the school to do anything. If the player wants a big paycheck and the school doesn't want to pay him a big paycheck, then they're probably not going to make a deal.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Uh if they cut football there won't be a pay cut for the coach or AD? If they pay the players instead, they will have to cut expenses or raise profits. If they use only walk ons they lose millions in revenue, again a pay cut. You figure it out.
    no the just don't give scholarships. if they drop the football program they still have to pay the coaches buy out. so he is paid either way.

    It does matter that NW sucks, because no one applies to NW for the football. The prez and board of trustees aren't going to care in the way that admin at ohio state or UMich will. You really think the latter would cut football just to avoid an NFL style split of revenue with the players?
    no it doesn't. they will drop it because they can't afford the liability. there is more to it than just paying players and going the other direction. if you had read any of the links i posted you would know this.

    also athletic departments are considered non-profit so there is no profit to spit with the players if they even wanted it.

    Pedo state has taught us what lengths colleges will go to keep the football team in operation
    If you are referring to penn st. then call it penn st. that way people know what you are talking about.
    The reason they are still there is because they care about the students that are on scholarship. if they were to drop the football program all those kids would lose their scholarships.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    This is how conversations work bud. The discussion naturally progresses to related issues. Look around. Why do you think this story has reignited a national dialogue on pay-for-play? In fact, the only reason the story got any national coverage at all was because of its obvious implication on the more important issue of pay-for-play and NCAA ByLaw 12.1.2.

    If you believe i'm actually derailing this thread quit your bitching and report me.
    no it is what we call a strawman which is a logical fallacy.
    it means you can't actually address the point in question so you have to bring up an irrelevant in an attempt to disprove the original argument.

    they are attempting to get something and be catagorized as something they are not. they are students not employee's.
    if you don't believe me let them drop out of school and see if they can still play on the football team. they can't.

    the only way they can play football is if they are a student and make the grades. without those conditions met they are not allowed on the football field. in fact it makes their scholarship null and void.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no it is what we call a strawman which is a logical fallacy.
    it means you can't actually address the point in question so you have to bring up an irrelevant in an attempt to disprove the original argument.
    Not surprisingly you have no idea what a strawman actually is. I've repeatedly shown you how athletes on scholarships are effectively employees. You've even implicitly agreed by admitting that college athletes are effectively "paid". You're just don't have the wherewithal to connect the dots.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they are attempting to get something and be catagorized as something they are not. they are students not employee's.
    if you don't believe me let them drop out of school and see if they can still play on the football team. they can't.

    the only way they can play football is if they are a student and make the grades. without those conditions met they are not allowed on the football field. in fact it makes their scholarship null and void.
    Yep. These are conditions of their (effective) employment. Just like I have to meet certain conditions to be employed at my job (and you at yours, assuming anyone is willing to employ you for anything).

    Look, I can only repeat myself so many times. It's clear you're not able (or not willing) to understand it. Although it's been fun, I've wasted enough time slapping you around. Good day!

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