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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    It's an exercise of free association.
    I don't think most libertarians support unionization. I could be wrong. Maybe some left leaners . . . I'm not sure. I just never considered that to be a libertarian value because they seem to be more about individual responsibility more so than group think, which a lot of unions represent.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    So the exploited should continue to submit to being exploited so that those who benefit from this exploitation can continue to receive benefits from the continued exploitation. That makes sense to you?
    Exploited? They don't have to play sports. The reason for this is to make the college/university more attractive to potential students. Also, the colleges make money, but how is that not a good thing? How can a conservative not support that?

    If you have a problem with how much they pay their coaching staff or how they market the players, then I would think there would be other ways to address those issues.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    While no university is going to let football players unionize at least the movement might tone down the NCAA which really needs some reform.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The problem is the NCAA and the schools have colluded and set the terms of the 'deal.' Furthermore, for a football player talented enough to play in the NFL, the 'deal' is the only route available to get there. At least with baseball, players have an option - go pro out of HS, or go to college, so when they're presented with the "deal" they actually have a CHOICE. Talented football and basketball players don't have a realistic choice.

    The ban on compensation also extends well beyond the school because the NCAA prohibits athletes from cashing in their market value in any other way, prohibiting contact or getting paid by agents, limiting the kind of summer employment, prohibiting outsiders for paying for appearances, autographs, jerseys, etc. A star coach can negotiate a 6 or 7 figure endorsement deal, but his best players can receive $0.00 for their services endorsing products. The schools can sell a player's jersey and number (without name) and NCAA.org itself sold jerseys of famous NCAA players, but the players cannot receive one penny of benefit from the sales of their own jersey with the number THEY made valuable.

    Anyway, major college sports are a multi $billion BUSINESS, and the only ones in that business whose compensation (inside and outside their institutions) is capped by the arrangement of a cartel of the employers are the talented players that make it all possible. Just seems unsustainable to me whether we like the results or not.
    That's not true at ALL. There are plenty of "star" college athletes who do not make it in the NFL.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Unionizing is a libertarian belief?
    Yes, people have the right to unionize due to their right to association. Libertarians thus support unionizing, but that does not mean they support forcing people into a union and mandating them pay union dues, forcing negotiations, mandated topics of discussion, mandating things be provided to unions, laws that put an obligation on either party to negotiate in good faith, protecting those unionized from being fired, etc. In short, we support unionization in so far as to protect the right to association, but do not support any forced association, or any other violation of human rights that are currently in current law.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, people have the right to unionize due to their right to association. Libertarians thus support unionizing, but that does not mean they support forcing people into a union and mandating them pay union dues, forcing negotiations, mandated topics of discussion, mandating things be provided to unions, laws that put an obligation on either party to negotiate in good faith, protecting those unionized from being fired, etc. In short, we support unionization in so far as to protect the right to association, but do not support any forced association, or any other violation of human rights that are currently in current law.
    Well thanks for the clarification, but I'll bet at least some libertarians are going to disagree with you.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Yeah, but if the SCOTUS rules the appointments to the NLRB was unconstitutional as the senate was in session. Every decision made by the NLRB since the appointments may become null and void. This may or may not be a big thing. We will just have to wait and see.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Exploited? They don't have to play sports. The reason for this is to make the college/university more attractive to potential students. Also, the colleges make money, but how is that not a good thing? How can a conservative not support that?

    If you have a problem with how much they pay their coaching staff or how they market the players, then I would think there would be other ways to address those issues.
    what more effective ways, other than that the players have chosen, do you suggest
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what more effective ways, other than that the players have chosen, do you suggest
    There could be rules on how the colleges are allowed to market their players, how much they're allowed to spend on their sports programs, etc.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    While no university is going to let football players unionize at least the movement might tone down the NCAA which really needs some reform.
    employers don't 'get' to 'let' the employees unionize
    employees have a 'right' of association to form a bargaining unit if the election results of the prospective bargaining unit employees indicate 50% plus one of them chose the union option
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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