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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And they already are compensated.
    problem is, you do not get to decide what is acceptable compensation. the employees and the employer do
    obviously, the employees feel under-compensated, which has caused them to seek negotiation of the matter

    Education, housing, travel, facilities, meals, exposure, etc...
    the employees know what they are receiving, and they are asserting that what they are receiving is inadequate
    and they now seek to be declared authorized to negotiate a different compensation package

    This argument isn't about college athletes being paid really, it's about liberals hating that someone can make millions.
    no, it's really about their conditions of employment. the things unions bargain about
    the employees are concerned about health hazards, such as concussions, and their subsequent compensation if they are hurt on the job
    that would seem to be a legitimate - and wise - concern to have, if it is not already being adequately addressed by their employer

    It's an immature argument.
    the immature argument is one which advocates denying these employees their legitimate rights as bargaining unit members
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    problem is, you do not get to decide what is acceptable compensation. the employees and the employer do
    obviously, the employees feel under-compensated, which has caused them to seek negotiation of the matter


    the employees know what they are receiving, and they are asserting that what they are receiving is inadequate
    and they now seek to be declared authorized to negotiate a different compensation package


    no, it's really about their conditions of employment. the things unions bargain about
    the employees are concerned about health hazards, such as concussions, and their subsequent compensation if they are hurt on the job
    that would seem to be a legitimate - and wise - concern to have, if it is not already being adequately addressed by their employer


    the immature argument is one which advocates denying these employees their legitimate rights as bargaining unit members
    Students are not employees, period.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the players as northwestern obviously do not share your opinion that what they receive as compensation for playing is presently adequate
    which is why they have sought to be recognized as a bargaining unit, authorized to sit down with the employer to negotiate what they will receive as compensation for their hours of labor in the future
    that's it. to be able to participate in the discussion about what they will receive for their efforts
    can't understand what you and others find so objectionable about having such a voice as that
    they are not employed. that is the start. they only way they can play football is if they maintain grades and pass classes. not only in college but before college.
    they have to meet NCAA requirements to get a scholarship.

    otherwise their offer is worthless and colleges have pulled scholarship offers from students that can't make the grades.

    because we don't feel you can't bargain with someone you don't work for.

    As employee's they have to live up to contractual agreements. IE if they do not perform on the football field they can be fired.
    They will be taxed on all income. so how do you expect them to pay taxes?

    Athletic departments will be on the hook for taxes on revenue's generated as well.

    I don't think you should bargain against someone you don't work for.
    football is voluntary as well. nothing is forcing them to play football. another reason they are not employee's.

    they could easily stop playing football and they would still be students.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    problem is, you do not get to decide what is acceptable compensation. the employees and the employer do
    obviously, the employees feel under-compensated, which has caused them to seek negotiation of the matter


    the employees know what they are receiving, and they are asserting that what they are receiving is inadequate
    and they now seek to be declared authorized to negotiate a different compensation package


    no, it's really about their conditions of employment. the things unions bargain about
    the employees are concerned about health hazards, such as concussions, and their subsequent compensation if they are hurt on the job
    that would seem to be a legitimate - and wise - concern to have, if it is not already being adequately addressed by their employer


    the immature argument is one which advocates denying these employees their legitimate rights as bargaining unit members
    they are students not employee's. that is your mistake. they do not work for the college. they attend college.
    that is the only way for them to play football. they cannot play football unless they are students at the college.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it is the students who are doing this themselves


    those expressing support are only viewing it from the sidelines

    not saying union strength has not become severely eroded since the golden age of our economy in the 50's
    just saying that student athletes seeking to use their right of assembly has little to do with preserving unionship and everything to do with enhancing their own conditions of employment thru legally sanctioned bargaining
    and the university should have the right to say Nah bubba nah!



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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and the university should have the right to say Nah bubba nah!
    as a professed member of the bar, that is all you can produce?
    when the court has already expressed to the employee/athletes that they are authorized to establish a bargaining unit and can now engage in negotiation of the conditions of employment
    so, given your supposed education and experience, please offer us a reason based in law why the student/employee/athletes should be found ineligible to bargain in good faith with their university employer
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    as a professed member of the bar, that is all you can produce?
    when the court has already expressed to the employee/athletes that they are authorized to establish a bargaining unit and can now engage in negotiation of the conditions of employment
    so, given your supposed education and experience, please offer us a reason based in law why the student/employee/athletes should be found ineligible to bargain in good faith with their university employer
    Asking your opponent to prove a negative is a fallacy.
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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Aren't you concerned about the effect this will have on spending for education as opposed to sports teams?
    So the exploited should continue to submit to being exploited so that those who benefit from this exploitation can continue to receive benefits from the continued exploitation. That makes sense to you?

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Unionizing is a libertarian belief?
    It's an exercise of free association.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    So the exploited should continue to submit to being exploited so that those who benefit from this exploitation can continue to receive benefits from the continued exploitation. That makes sense to you?
    The athletes volunteer to play.
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