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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    And a legal union has the right to picket. Try using a stadium which is blockaded by picketers. No home games, maybe no team of players, meanwhile the coach and staff still need to be paid millions of dollars for doing nothing.
    they do not have the right to block traffic into the stadium. it would be bad for the players. if they don't think that getting a free education is enough then they don't have to play football and can forfeit their scholarship. i think 125k which includes a college degree if they graduate is enough.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Hmm. A decision by a board of people who are specifically educated in Labor Law vs. a guy too lazy to use the shift key.

    I'm going with the NLRB on this one.
    IE: i can't argue against anything that you said so here is my typical liberal adhominem.

    thanks for conceding the point.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    You're mincing words. You think you're making a point but all you're really doing is demonstrating a complete and total failure to understand even the most basic points of the discussion. In the context of the pay-for-play discussion, when someone says "college athletes should be allowed to be paid" they are not talking about compensation in the form of scholarships. They are talking about a paycheck - income that the player can spend as he or she chooses.


    They are talking about NCAA ByLaw12.1.2, which explicitly prohibits college athletes from accepting any form of pay for playing.

    That's what everyone is talking about it. If you can't comprehend that simple distinction you have no business here.
    No evidently you don't understand what pay and compensation is. they are one in the same and can be anything in exchange for service.
    the students already get a payment for playing football.

    if they are employee's then that would be considered income as well. so not only will they pay taxes on what money they can try and squeeze out of the college, but they will have to pay taxes on the scholarships they receive also.

    so again your ranting is just that ranting. you don't know what you are talking about. compensation is pay period as defined by the IRS code itself.

    The reason you see no market is because the NCAA members have colluded and agreed to not offer to pay athletes for their labor. It's textbook form of price fixing that interferes with free market operation and needs to be lifted. Then see if "there is no market".
    college's aren't going to pay high school student money to play football beyond what they do now. if that happens many school will just shut down their athletic departments as they can't afford the additional costs.

    1. Look up the definition of colloquial.
    2. Bull****
    3. I don't give a ****. I don't need a court ruling to tell me what is or isn't employment in the colloquial sense. Maybe you do, but I have no difficulties understanding simple definitions and knowing when and where they apply.
    of course you don't because it proves that you are wrong. that is why you don't.

    Oh please. There's way too much money to made in college football. All the universities and ncaa execs and advertising companies and sponsors aren't just going to throw it all away just because the players want a cut of the pie. Get real.
    this is simple business. if the cost > value then you don't do it. this is where having business classes helps. there are things call ROI's.
    yes they will as athletic departments will come under major costs and liabilities.

    the cost to operate will simply not be worth whatever money they can possibly make.
    This will be overturned as it has for the past 30 years.

    they are students not employee's. nothing will change that fact. if they don't like the free education etc... they can pay for it like everyone else. no one says they have to play football it is completely voluntary on their part.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    While I have nothing against college players being paid I dont think unions ought to be allowed, they are more of a detriment than an advantage.
    I agree. I see colleges spending big bucks to get the best athletes in order to make money from their athletic programs. I wonder what the cost to education will be?

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    I agree. Why should the NCAA prohibit pay-for-play? Why should that be the case?



    I think a lot of people would disagree. I think a lot of people would say that college athletes are effectively professional athletes, and that we're just kidding ourselves by saying they're not. I mean the school offers them compensation in the form of scholarship money, and the athletes have a bunch of duties and responsibilities they have to fulfill in order to continue receiving that compensation (spending X hours a week training, etc). Sounds like a professional to me.



    Which is another reason why the ban is so silly. The NCAA basically says it's ok for universities to attract top athletes with this kind of compensation (scholarships) but it's not ok to attact them with this kind of compensation (a paycheck). It's a silly distinction.



    I'm not sure that it would benefit college sports in general. I don't think it would change it all that much anyway. The idea is that it would benefit the college athletes, who are doing all the hard work that generates billions of dollars that other people are profiting from.
    I see this as a REALLY bad idea. Colleges are going to be spending money to pay athletes. What's going to become of education in our universities?

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    While I have nothing against college players being paid I dont think unions ought to be allowed, they are more of a detriment than an advantage.
    WOW!!!! Another admitted libertarian who is also against labor unions!!!!! Next thing you know the sun will set in the west tonight and shock us all.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they do not have the right to block traffic into the stadium. it would be bad for the players. if they don't think that getting a free education is enough then they don't have to play football and can forfeit their scholarship. i think 125k which includes a college degree if they graduate is enough.
    the players as northwestern obviously do not share your opinion that what they receive as compensation for playing is presently adequate
    which is why they have sought to be recognized as a bargaining unit, authorized to sit down with the employer to negotiate what they will receive as compensation for their hours of labor in the future
    that's it. to be able to participate in the discussion about what they will receive for their efforts
    can't understand what you and others find so objectionable about having such a voice as that
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize - CNN.com



    This will change college athletics forever.

    If football players get paid, what about the golf team, the women's soccer team, the water polo team, etc? Will those sports be dropped altogether? If athletes strike, do they forfeit their scholarships? Can a team at one school strike on its own? Do athletes at Texas get a piece of the Longhorn Network revenues? Where is this going to go?

    Funny, I thought getting an entire college education paid for at a major university was quite a reward to begin with, not to mention the unlimited amount of exposure that could lead to a lucrative pro career for the elite players.

    I think this kills college athletics altogether except for football and men's basketball. Problem is, Title IX requires a school to offset the scholarships with women's sports, so it might even kill football and basketball, too at smaller schools.
    Yea its a horrible idea.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this causes some of the smaller Universities drop their athletic program all together.

    Unbelievable.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WOW!!!! Another admitted libertarian who is also against labor unions!!!!! Next thing you know the sun will set in the west tonight and shock us all.
    amazing, isn't it, that libertarians, who espouse rights of the individual are so opposed to the collective rights of those individuals
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    amazing, isn't it, that libertarians, who espouse rights of the individual are so opposed to the collective rights of those individuals
    Yeah, what's up with all libertarians not meeting 100% of the expected views of liberals... amazing indeed.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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