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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Suit me if we did away with college sports all together and unionizing players is a good step in this direction.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    glad to see that you support kids not going to college. very considerate of you.
    I do. I support kids going to college to study, not play with their balls.

    I found this... a study estimates that the annual compensation via scholarship, etc for division 1 basketball players is about #27k per year. And thats for basketball players ON SCHOLARSHIP - which is not all players.

    NLRB Ruling Reignites College-Athlete Pay Debate | FiveThirtyEight

    Thats a pretty good deal for colleges, considering another study showed that a college player in the NCAA tournament would be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a game in a real open market.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    We can only hope.

    Amateur sports will not be dead. They will go on in club sports, which is exactly where they should be. If you hold an event and rake in millions, but dont pay the players, its only amateur in the sense that you got suckers to play for you for nothing and keep the gate revenue for yourself.
    As it stands, revenue from athletics holds tuition rates down dramatically.

    Getting rid of athletics will cause tuition to skyrocket, too.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no they aren't. they don't feel that getting a free college education and a chance to make it to the pro's to earn millions is enough.
    of course the court system has yet to rule and i figure they will overturn the labor board ruling like they have for the past 30 years.
    This will go to the Court of Appeals, which has three newly Obama-appointed pro-union members. It will be upheld.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I do. I support kids going to college to study, not play with their balls.

    I found this... a study estimates that the annual compensation via scholarship, etc for division 1 basketball players is about #27k per year. And thats for basketball players ON SCHOLARSHIP - which is not all players.

    NLRB Ruling Reignites College-Athlete Pay Debate | FiveThirtyEight

    Thats a pretty good deal for colleges, considering another study showed that a college player in the NCAA tournament would be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a game in a real open market.
    Wow, you really don't get this.

    Revenue from those athletes, especially at state schools, help to hold tuition rates down for not only the schools, but the satellite campuses around the state. The loss in revenue will be made up for through much higher tuition.

    Why don't Democrats ever understand unintended consequences? Unionizing always raises the expenses for EVERYBODY in the end.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    As it stands, revenue from athletics holds tuition rates down dramatically.

    Getting rid of athletics will cause tuition to skyrocket, too.
    It really doesnt. Most athletic programs are money losers.


    And we could have students make bricks for free and sell them at a profit in Universities too - that would be profitable and bring down tuition. Doesnt mean we should.

    Universities should be for education. Not paid sporting events.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I do. I support kids going to college to study, not play with their balls.

    I found this... a study estimates that the annual compensation via scholarship, etc for division 1 basketball players is about #27k per year. And thats for basketball players ON SCHOLARSHIP - which is not all players.

    NLRB Ruling Reignites College-Athlete Pay Debate | FiveThirtyEight

    Thats a pretty good deal for colleges, considering another study showed that a college player in the NCAA tournament would be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a game in a real open market.
    evidently you don't more so poorer kids since most of these kids wouldn't get a shot at college at all if not for athletic scholarships.

    that is basketball which has a lot less overhead. just the tuition books room and board is more than 27k per year so i would call your study into question. the average out of state tuition which most kids are out of state runs 30-40k a year that doesn't include books, food room and board.

    which if this ruling goes into effect then well even if it is 27k a year that is taxable. so where is the kid going get the money to pay the taxes?

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    It really doesnt. Most athletic programs are money losers.


    And we could have students make bricks for free and sell them at a profit in Universities too - that would be profitable and bring down tuition. Doesnt mean we should.

    Universities should be for education. Not paid sporting events.
    they are for education. in order to play college athletics you must attend class and make the grades. if they decide to go their senior year and graduate they get a degree.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    evidently you don't more so poorer kids since most of these kids wouldn't get a shot at college at all if not for athletic scholarships.

    that is basketball which has a lot less overhead. just the tuition books room and board is more than 27k per year so i would call your study into question. the average out of state tuition which most kids are out of state runs 30-40k a year that doesn't include books, food room and board.

    which if this ruling goes into effect then well even if it is 27k a year that is taxable. so where is the kid going get the money to pay the taxes?
    You mean because poor kids arent smart? Or is it because we give the poor kids with athletic ability the shot at college at the expense of the poor kids with academic ability? I have a feeling you just want the poor kids who get to go to college give you some entertainment instead of studying all the time.

    All I can tell you is the median value of a scholarship is 27k per year. In state tuition and room and board is often about this amount.

    Like I said, I already provided you an example that a scholarship is NOT taxable. You're clinging to that fantasy. Stop.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Like I said, I already provided you an example that a scholarship is NOT taxable. You're clinging to that fantasy. Stop.
    I'm jumping in here out of context, but just want to point out that a $27,000 yearly scholarship indeed would be taxable if the student is considered an employee. Right now, an employee may deduct up to $5,250 in tuition reimbursement from his income. If the law doesn't chnge, $23,000+ of that $27,000 would be taxable.

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