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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Where did I say they "need to be compensated"? Quote me exactly please.
    what do you think pay is? pay is compensation. i think you need to take a business class

    Exactly what I said. That the NCAA prohibition on athletes being paid needs to be lifted. If we lift it and market forces decide that athletes don't get any money, terrific I couldn't care less.
    They already get pay. in the form of free education, free books, free room and board, paid trips, lodging, state of the art weight rooms and trainers.

    Bull****. The average full ride football scholarship is much less than that per year. Incredibly few schools cost anywhere near $120k per year for tuition, fees, room and board. That's more than most schools cost for four years. That's an extreme case.
    When you add up the cost of 4 years it comes out to 100-120k in benefits that they receive currently tax free.

    Why would he be taxed at 50-60%? And even if he were, getting your education half off is a fantastic deal that the vast majority of students would kill for.
    Why would they be taxed? because the IRS considers it income that is why they would be taxed.

    Only to someone who doesn't understand my argument at all.
    Your ranting and conflicting yourself so no one can understand your argument.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Those are just the top 10 or so programs look at schools like West Virginia who was $12 million in the hole last season, Mizzou lost $16 mil, OSU lost $9 mil, Kansas lost $8 mil, UNT lost $7 mil, ASU lost $6 mil, Iowa lost $6 mil, Wash St. lost $5 mil, Utah lost $3 mil. Most schools made a very small profit or none at all.
    yeah but WVU is still trying to fill in the major gap when they left the former BE. their finanical situation is getting a lot better now and by next year they will be operating in the black.

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    College football's draw, at least in part is due to the fact of its amateur status. The game now is played with heart, something that pro football is losing....Add pay to that and you ruin it....Thanks libs...can't have anything can we?
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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    College football's draw, at least in part is due to the fact of its amateur status. The game now is played with heart, something that pro football is losing....Add pay to that and you ruin it....Thanks libs...can't have anything can we?
    Slavery's draw is we get to have these people doing important stuff and they get free room and board for life!

    Add pay to that and you ruin it.....thanks libs...can't have anything can we?
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

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    Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize - CNN.com



    This will change college athletics forever.

    If football players get paid, what about the golf team, the women's soccer team, the water polo team, etc? Will those sports be dropped altogether? If athletes strike, do they forfeit their scholarships? Can a team at one school strike on its own? Do athletes at Texas get a piece of the Longhorn Network revenues? Where is this going to go?

    Funny, I thought getting an entire college education paid for at a major university was quite a reward to begin with, not to mention the unlimited amount of exposure that could lead to a lucrative pro career for the elite players.

    I think this kills college athletics altogether except for football and men's basketball. Problem is, Title IX requires a school to offset the scholarships with women's sports, so it might even kill football and basketball, too at smaller schools.
    I think it's ridiculous. They aren't paid employees. It doesn't make any sense to me at all. Does this mean no more scholarships? What exactly do they hope to accomplish with unionizing I wonder? It's not like they get benefits or wages. It's all quite confusing IMO.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think it's ridiculous. They aren't paid employees. It doesn't make any sense to me at all. Does this mean no more scholarships? What exactly do they hope to accomplish with unionizing I wonder? It's not like they get benefits or wages. It's all quite confusing IMO.
    Classic.

    This sums up a big chunk of postings from DP Conservatives.

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    "I don't understand it, so it must be bad/wrong".
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Classic.

    This sums up a big chunk of postings from DP Conservatives.

    The nugget being:

    "I don't understand it, so it must be bad/wrong".
    I'm simply asking questions. You obviously don't have the answers, so move along little doggy!

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Classic.

    This sums up a big chunk of postings from DP Conservatives.

    The nugget being:

    "I don't understand it, so it must be bad/wrong".
    which means you don't understand what we are talking about.

    1. Currently all college athletes are considered students. therefore any scholarship they receive is for their education which is non-taxable under IRS guidelines.
    2. If they are considered employee's then (athletes) any compensation they receive is considered income by the IRS. this includes scholarships, room and board, food, travel, training, weight room etc ...

    3. if they want to avoid those taxes then the school will have to start charging them for the use of the facilities.
    athletics departments are considered non-profits as well. as any money generated goes back to the school.

    the average student athlete earns 100-120k+ in compensation depending on the school.

    what you will see happen is college stop offering scholarships to kids. that means a very large drop in the number of kids more so kids that
    never would get into college to begin with an opportunity to better themselves.

    so please tell me what jr is going to do when for the first year in college football he gets a W2 for 60k and has no money to pay the tax?

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm simply asking questions. You obviously don't have the answers, so move along little doggy!
    I dont know if you are aware, but you are connected to one of the most incredible research tools imaginable. Literally, within a few seconds, you could get hundreds of articles and papers describing the nuances of college athletics, how the players are exploited by the colleges, the revenue that the NCAA gets, the outcomes of the athlete/students, etc.

    But your post is summed up as "This is ridiculous".

    I just thought it was a perfect little microcosm into a Conservative mind. You seemingly don't claim to be Conservative, so you shouldn't take offense, right?
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I dont know if you are aware, but you are connected to one of the most incredible research tools imaginable. Literally, within a few seconds, you could get hundreds of articles and papers describing the nuances of college athletics, how the players are exploited by the colleges, the revenue that the NCAA gets, the outcomes of the athlete/students, etc.

    But your post is summed up as "This is ridiculous".

    I just thought it was a perfect little microcosm into a Conservative mind. You seemingly don't claim to be Conservative, so you shouldn't take offense, right?
    No, it doesn't make sense that non-employees would form a union, especially when a lot of athletes are there on a scholarship, and since college sports is NOT a career and is voluntary, I don't see how they can make demands.

    Besides, it's going to be appealed, and hopefully they will see how ridiculous it is. If you don't like the demands of your sports team, then quit.

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