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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The solution to end this problem is simple - Northwestern can follow the lead of the auto manufacturers, they can move their football program and stadium to Mexico and get lower priced football player labor there.
    or they won't fool with it and shut down their athletic programs or they will do what the ivy league did and not offer scholarships.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Oh please. College athletics has been proven to be a billion dollar industry. It can generate tens of millions of dollars in profit for colleges themselves. Neither companies nor colleges are going to squander the money to be made there just because the athletes start demanding a cut. Have some faith in the Almighty Dollar.
    Let's play a game. How many college athletic departments currently operate in the black without paying athletes?

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Let's play a game. How many college athletic departments currently operate in the black without paying athletes?

    You can answer that without pulling down your pants.
    last number i checked was 23-30 or so.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    wait you said they needed to be compensated.
    Where did I say they "need to be compensated"? Quote me exactly please.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    i told you they were and you said you didn't care.
    what exactly is your argument again.
    Exactly what I said. That the NCAA prohibition on athletes being paid needs to be lifted. If we lift it and market forces decide that athletes don't get any money, terrific I couldn't care less.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    when added up a college football player gets about 100-120k+ depending on the school to play football.
    Bull****. The average full ride football scholarship is much less than that per year. Incredibly few schools cost anywhere near $120k per year for tuition, fees, room and board. That's more than most schools cost for four years. That's an extreme case.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Sure tell a kid that has no money that he owes 60k plus a year in taxes for playing a sport.
    Why would he be taxed at 50-60%? And even if he were, getting your education half off is a fantastic deal that the vast majority of students would kill for.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    That pretty much sums up your argument.
    Only to someone who doesn't understand my argument at all.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Let's play a game. How many college athletic departments currently operate in the black without paying athletes?

    You can answer that without pulling down your pants.
    I'll pose the same question to you. So what? I guess those schools wouldn't be offering very large compensation packages for the top athletes? Or, who knows, maybe they would in an investment effort to raise their program into the profitable elite? Either way, so what?

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    not if they are considered income. also if they get a stipend that is taxable as well.
    i think will take the IRS over you saying my opinion is wrong.

    plus i already posted a link that deals with this very subject which you ignored of course.

    here is another article for you.

    The new pay-for-play: CFB union could get slammed with tax bill

    Hannon cited Sec. 117 of the “Current Internal Revenue Code,” which essentially states that though a “qualified scholarship” is not considered gross income, that can change if the scholarship money “represents payment for teaching, research or other services by the student required as a condition for receiving the qualified scholarship or qualified tuition reduction.”

    so please tell me how a RB position relates to a computer science degree or something other than physical education?
    Well, if that sticks, it will kill college athletics.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    last number i checked was 23-30 or so.
    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    I'll pose the same question to you. So what? I guess those schools wouldn't be offering very large compensation packages for the top athletes? Or, who knows, maybe they would in an investment effort to raise their program into the profitable elite? Either way, so what?
    My point is if you start paying athletes more than they are already being paid it has the possibility of bankrupting many colleges. I look at it this way. College athletes already receive compensation. They are asked to come to their school and perform on their sports teams. In return they get an education, room, and books. If they don't think that's enough, don't go to school.
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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    My point is if you start paying athletes more than they are already being paid it has the possibility of bankrupting many colleges.
    How would it bankrupt a college? If a college can't afford to pay the nation's best QB prospect what Notre Dame is willing to pay him, then the college simply isn't going to get the nation's best QB prospect. Instead, they'll do what they always do and offer a scholarship to some lesser talent who's not seeing 5-star offers from Michigan and USC and Bama.

    If a college starts spending more money then it brings in, that's just bad financial decision making - it doesn't have anything to with an NCAA rule.

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    I look at it this way. College athletes already receive compensation. They are asked to come to their school and perform on their sports teams. In return they get an education, room, and books. If they don't think that's enough, don't go to school.
    Which makes the prohibition even more ridiculous. Ok, you can attract top athletes with this kind of compensation but don't you dare try to attract top athletes with this kind of compensation, we'll kick you out of the NCAA if you do that. It's an archaic rule that may have been useful at one time, but the face of college football has changed.

    I think a lot of people view this issue from perspective that NFL-ish money doesn't belong in college sports, college sports should be 'pure'. While I completely appreciate that sentiment, the fact is it's too late. Money is already in college sports and it's been there for decades. Just look around. Millionaire NCAA execs, timeouts for TV, insane coach salaries, the list goes on and on. Prohibiting a tiny percentage of the top college athletes from getting a share of that money isn't protecting the sanctity of college athletics - it's just keeping the money in others' hands.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    That data's from 2008. Revenues (and profits) have grown substantially since then.

    USA Today | Sports | COLLEGE

    Profits for 2012:

    Texas - $25million

    tOSU - $18million

    Michigan - $25million

    Alabama - $17million

    ....
    Those are just the top 10 or so programs look at schools like West Virginia who was $12 million in the hole last season, Mizzou lost $16 mil, OSU lost $9 mil, Kansas lost $8 mil, UNT lost $7 mil, ASU lost $6 mil, Iowa lost $6 mil, Wash St. lost $5 mil, Utah lost $3 mil. Most schools made a very small profit or none at all.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

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    Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize - CNN.com



    This will change college athletics forever.

    If football players get paid, what about the golf team, the women's soccer team, the water polo team, etc? Will those sports be dropped altogether? If athletes strike, do they forfeit their scholarships? Can a team at one school strike on its own? Do athletes at Texas get a piece of the Longhorn Network revenues? Where is this going to go?

    Funny, I thought getting an entire college education paid for at a major university was quite a reward to begin with, not to mention the unlimited amount of exposure that could lead to a lucrative pro career for the elite players.

    I think this kills college athletics altogether except for football and men's basketball. Problem is, Title IX requires a school to offset the scholarships with women's sports, so it might even kill football and basketball, too at smaller schools.
    Yes it will. Had colleges not exploited their players, and had corporations like Nike, etc. not exploited players, none of this would ever have happened.

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