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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The scholarship definitely counts as a form of compensation. For many players, especially those who won't make it into the pros, it might be enough and they may well see it as a fair trade. Obviously the players at Northwestern didn't see it that way. They think that they're worth more than what they're getting. Shouldn't people be able to bargain for more if they think that they're worth more? Isn't that standard conservative-libertarian principle in play?
    you can only bargain form people you work for. they do not work for the college.
    the court system has upheld this since the first case was filed in 1971.

    the district court said yes but subsequent appeals court all came back with the same ruling. they are not employee's. how the labor board ignored 30+ years of precedent is beyond me.

    they are not employee's therefore they have no leverage to bargain anything, nor does the school have to acknowledge them as such.
    if they want to be employee's like they say they do.

    then they will need to fill out the needed proper forms and pay taxes on all of their income. so all tuition, books, training, tudors etc .. are all taxable according to the IRS.
    a college athlete receives 100-120k in benefits they would have to pay taxes on that.

    universities also open themselves up to major lawsuits and other liabilities.

    this is not just a simple issue of paying players. there is a whole backside i posted it on another thread i think. i will re-post it here.

    http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...udent-athletes

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    you can only bargain form people you work for. they do not work for the college.
    the court system has upheld this since the first case was filed in 1971.

    the district court said yes but subsequent appeals court all came back with the same ruling. they are not students. how the labor board ignored 30+ years of precedent is beyond me.

    they are not employee's therefore they have no leverage to bargain anything, nor does the school have to acknowledge them as such.
    if they want to be employee's like they say they do.

    then they will need to fill out the needed proper forms and pay taxes on all of their income. so all tuition, books, training, tudors etc .. are all taxable according to the IRS.
    a college athlete receives 100-120k in benefits they would have to pay taxes on that.

    universities also open themselves up to major lawsuits and other liabilities.

    this is not just a simple issue of paying players. there is a whole backside i posted it on another thread i think. i will re-post it here.

    Legal issues could arise from paying student-athletes - ESPN
    As I noted above but you dismissed, rules are always modified as events unfold.

    As to how they could leverage their position, strikes of course. Same old tactics as the old line auto unions, teamsters etc. Universities depend on sports revenue. Don't play, block the ability of "scabs" to be recruited in your place, stop games from happening, etc and you dry up university revenue from football. That's applying pressure.

    As for the tax angle, I'm sure that the players will figure it out.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they are already compensated in the 100k of dollars they get in tuition, gyms and other benefits all non-taxed. if you pay them or treat them like employee's all that is now taxable according to the IRS.

    how many college students do you know that have the money to pay taxes on 100K?
    Scholarships are generally non-taxable. Use of a gym is certainly not a taxable 'benefit', since it's like a workplace, and their travel is also not taxed.
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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    As I noted above but you dismissed, rules are always modified as events unfold.

    As to how they could leverage their position, strikes of course. Same old tactics as the old line auto unions, teamsters etc. Universities depend on sports revenue. Don't play, block the ability of "scabs" to be recruited in your place, stop games from happening, etc and you dry up university revenue from football. That's applying pressure.

    As for the tax angle, I'm sure that the players will figure it out.
    sure go strike your scholarship is dependent on you playing football if you choose to void that contract then you lose your scholarship.
    i didn't dismiss anything. THEY are not employee's they are students that play football.

    since you lose your scholarship you can no longer afford the tuition therefore you have no ability to be on campus and therefore are trespassing so you can't block anyone without being arrested for such things.

    yeah they fill figure it out when they get a 33k bill from the IRS for owed taxes.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Scholarships are generally non-taxable. Use of a gym is certainly not a taxable 'benefit', since it's like a workplace, and their travel is also not taxed.
    you are incorrect. if they are employee's. therefore any income is considered taxable under IRS rules. you are right scholarships are not taxable now.
    please read the link i posted it explains a great deal and the consequences of said actions.

    actually it is as a typical gym membership runs about 20-50 dollars a month.
    that doesn't include the cost of the physical trainers and therapy that these kids get either.

    all of that is considered taxable by the IRS.
    they don't have to pay it now because they are students. employee's not so much.
    also the school doesn't have to treat it as a benefit anymore and could start charging them for the use of said gym.


    just like these kids don't know you don't know the can of worms that they are opening if they become employee's.
    more the likely the appeals court will strike down like they have struck it down before.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    you are incorrect. if they are employee's. therefore any income is considered taxable under IRS rules. you are right scholarships are not taxable now.
    please read the link i posted it explains a great deal and the consequences of said actions.

    actually it is as a typical gym membership runs about 20-50 dollars a month.
    that doesn't include the cost of the physical trainers and therapy that these kids get either.

    all of that is considered taxable by the IRS.
    they don't have to pay it now because they are students. employee's not so much.
    also the school doesn't have to treat it as a benefit anymore and could start charging them for the use of said gym.


    just like these kids don't know you don't know the can of worms that they are opening if they become employee's.
    more the likely the appeals court will strike down like they have struck it down before.
    You are entitled to your opinion.

    But generally, those scholarships are tax free.

    And a gym membership is NOT taxable, anymore than NFL players would pay for their gyms they practice in....
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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Look for 7-8 years of appeals and then the face of college sports will be changes forever. I can see all colleges dropping athletics and they will be replaced by club level sports.
    Oh please. College athletics has been proven to be a billion dollar industry. It can generate tens of millions of dollars in profit for colleges themselves. Neither companies nor colleges are going to squander the money to be made there just because the athletes start demanding a cut. Have some faith in the Almighty Dollar.

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    Re: Labor board: Northwestern University football players can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    You are entitled to your opinion.

    But generally, those scholarships are tax free.

    And a gym membership is NOT taxable, anymore than NFL players would pay for their gyms they practice in....
    not if they are considered income. also if they get a stipend that is taxable as well.
    i think will take the IRS over you saying my opinion is wrong.

    plus i already posted a link that deals with this very subject which you ignored of course.

    here is another article for you.

    The new pay-for-play: CFB union could get slammed with tax bill

    Hannon cited Sec. 117 of the “Current Internal Revenue Code,” which essentially states that though a “qualified scholarship” is not considered gross income, that can change if the scholarship money “represents payment for teaching, research or other services by the student required as a condition for receiving the qualified scholarship or qualified tuition reduction.”

    so please tell me how a RB position relates to a computer science degree or something other than physical education?

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Oh please. College athletics has been proven to be a billion dollar industry. It can generate tens of millions of dollars in profit for colleges themselves. Neither companies nor colleges are going to squander the money to be made there just because the athletes start demanding a cut. Have some faith in the Almighty Dollar.
    no they generate 10 of millions in revenue that is not all profit. in fact most athletics run on the edge as they have to fund a ton of sports that do not make money.
    like the volleyball and soccer teams. football and basketball sometimes pays for almost all of the funding the athletic department uses.

    football revenue isn't just used for football but all the sports programs.

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    Re: NLRB rules NW University footballers can unionize

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Look at the expenses

    Alabama had $123,370,004 in expenses for a whopping profit of $399,837 or $4,703 per player
    That data's from 2008. Revenues (and profits) have grown substantially since then.

    USA Today | Sports | COLLEGE

    Profits for 2012:

    Texas - $25million

    tOSU - $18million

    Michigan - $25million

    Alabama - $17million

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