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    Re: Secret Service pulls 3 agents from Obama trip

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your employer can't make up the rules as they go
    . Obviously, these agents were aware that they were doing anything wrong. Looks like they were just doing what agents have done before, but for some reason they got gigged for it.



    Wrong.

    Employers can put any rule in place, at any time, if nothing stops them from doing that.

    And that's exactly what some employers do.

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    Re: Secret Service pulls 3 agents from Obama trip

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If he's off duty, he should be able to do what he wants, within reason. Getting drunk, even real drunk isn't that big of a deal.

    Obviously, these agents were aware that they were doing anything wrong. Looks like they were just doing what agents have done before, but for some reason they got gigged for it.
    Here's a much better article describing this incident:

    Secret Service agents on Obama detail sent home from Netherlands after night of drinking - The Washington Post

    In the wake of the Cartagena incident the SS formally adopted a set of rules that govern the behavior of agents while TDY.

    Of note are the following:

    5. Alcohol may only be consumed in moderate amounts while off-duty on a TDY assignment and alcohol use is prohibited within 10 hours of reporting for duty.

    6. Alcohol may not be consumed at the protectee hotel once the protective visit has begun.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/s...221648691.html

    In this recent Netherlands incident one of the agents, the one in the worst shape, was found passed out drunk in the hallway of the protectee hotel late Saturday night/early Sunday morning. With the President due to arrive on Monday morning (Air Force One touched down 0757 GMT Monday) his protective detail would have been required to be on duty Sunday for briefings, rehearsals, and the like. You can't very well be passed out dead drunk on the floor at zero dark thirty Sunday morning and then be fully functional at work at 0900 that same day (I've tried, numerous times, it's impossible).

    By being drunk in the hotel Saturday night/Sunday morning, and drunk to the degree that he was passed out on the floor in a hallway, this guy violated numerous policies.

    Add to that the fact that he was found by hotel staff, who alerted the U.S. Embassy staff, who in turn alerted his detail supervisors back at the hotel, and you've got a major employment incident that also takes on a bit of the color of an international incident.

    All that is beside the point that it doesn't much matter whether you're working for Uncle Sam or Walmart - if you're sent on a business trip and your boss has to come police your drunk ass up off the hallway floor a three in the morning (an assumption on my part) you're gonna be in some hot water.

    I'm guessing that the other two agents had their chains pulled because they too were drinking less than 10 hours prior to going on duty in the protectee hotel. They may not have been as drunk as Thing 1, but they were almost certainly in violation of policies thhat were designed to prevent EXACTLY this sort of thing.
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    Re: Secret Service pulls 3 agents from Obama trip

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No one is saying it's about Obama. You jumped the gun, bro...lol!
    Oh did I? A quote from the OP...

    Some more trouble for the Secret Service. Why is it wherever Obama goes.....people are being fired or let go. All of a Sudden Obama shows and everybody is a stickler for the Rules. Yet Obama doesn't stick to the rules himself.
    Why bring Obama into this?
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    Re: Secret Service pulls 3 agents from Obama trip

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Because Obama is POTUS presently. And he's supposed to be responsible for everything that happens while he is POTUS. Even hurricanes and national disasters.
    So I can blame him for the meal I prepared tonight that did not come out as I had hoped? COOL!
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    Re: Secret Service pulls 3 agents from Obama trip

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    A Secret Service agent found drunk by staff at a Dutch hotel was recalled to the U.S. along with two of his colleagues, the day before President Barack Obama was set to arrive in the Netherlands.

    Word of another scandal to hit the elite agency came as the president was midway through a weeklong, four-country trip to Europe and Saudi Arabia. The Secret Service said the three agents were benched on Sunday for "disciplinary reasons" but declined to elaborate.

    The Secret Service was alerted to the situation by U.S. Embassy officials in the Netherlands after hotel staff reported finding the highly intoxicated agent in the hotel, said a person familiar with the situation, who wasn't authorized to discuss the alleged behavior on the record and demanded anonymity. The other two agents were deemed complicit because they didn't intervene despite being in a position to assist the drunken agent or tamp down his behavior, the person said.

    "It wasn't like a big, crazy party," the person said.

    The three agents were part of the president's Counter Assault Team, but have been placed on administrative leave, according to The Washington Post, which first reported the disciplinary action. The newspaper said one of the agents was a "team leader.".....snip~

    http://news.yahoo.com/secret-pulls-3...W4tVVM-;_ylv=3


    Some more trouble for the Secret Service. Why is it wherever Obama goes.....people are being fired or let go. All of a Sudden Obama shows and everybody is a stickler for the Rules. Yet Obama doesn't stick to the rules himself.

    Anyway.....the Associated press says its another Scandal. What say ye?
    Shouldn't they be concerned more with counterfeiting anyway?
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    Re: Secret Service pulls 3 agents from Obama trip

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So I can blame him for the meal I prepared tonight that did not come out as I had hoped? COOL!
    Absolutely!

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    Re: Secret Service pulls 3 agents from Obama trip

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post


    Some more trouble for the Secret Service. Why is it wherever Obama goes.....people are being fired or let go. All of a Sudden Obama shows and everybody is a stickler for the Rules. Yet Obama doesn't stick to the rules himself.

    Anyway.....the Associated press says its another Scandal. What say ye?
    I can definitely see why it would be Obama's responsibility to babysit a grown ass man to prevent him from being drunk on the floor of hotel. Why isn't Barack Obama personally babysitting these people in the secret service?
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