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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Ukrane is as powerful right now as a 85 year old man in a wheelchair. Putin just took the wheels off the wheelchair...big fricken deal.
    Which he had no right to do.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    One-Ship Ukraine Navy Defies Russia to the End - WSJ.com


    Looks like they captured most of the Ukranian Navy. Trapping a Navy by sink a few ships tells me they weren't in the best location.
    Undoubtedly those Ukrainia ships were mistreating their Russian sailors

    I suspect they were easy to trap because they weren't suspecting an attack. Ever been to Pearl Harbor? I have. By sea. Sink one ship in the channel leading into Pearl and you'd trap every ship in port.
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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    can you show me the power to push a form of government?

    really?..a democracy is a democratic form of government

    article 4 section 4 of the u.s. Constitution--The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.
    Which has no bearing on what is going on in Russia.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Which has no bearing on what is going on in Russia.
    oh, i ask you where does america get its power to push democracy.........and why democracy since America is not one.

    why is america, promoting in the Ukraine a form of government the founders hated?

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, i ask you where does america get its power to push democracy.........and why democracy since America is not one.

    why is america, promoting in the Ukraine a form of government the founders hated?
    First, find me examples of any form of government being pushed by the US in the Ukraine.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    First, find me examples of any form of government being pushed by the US in the Ukraine.
    this is what DaveFagan and i are saying.

    The United States spent $5 billion on Ukraine anti-government riots | PunditFact

    West still pushing democracy in former Soviet republics

    Ukraine Doesn

    Headlines for March 18, 2014 | Democracy Now!

    How the US 'midwives' democracy. Dateline, Ukraine
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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Ukrane is as powerful right now as a 85 year old man in a wheelchair. Putin just took the wheels off the wheelchair...big fricken deal.
    Violating treaty that his country signed and throwing into jeopardy the future of all nuclear non-proliferation treaties.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    First, find me examples of any form of government being pushed by the US in the Ukraine.
    Heya Crue. Here is one.


    "Since 1991, Ukraine’s development trajectory has taken the country from a command to a market-based economy. The United States Government maintains a strategic interest in helping Ukraine’s transition toward greater democracy and a sustainable free market economy. Over the last 20 years USAID has provided $1.8 billion in critical development assistance in support of the Ukrainian people. Much of this development assistance has helped Ukrainians experience increased political freedoms, stronger transparency guarantees, and more economic and social opportunities.

    Today, USAID/Ukraine implements a focused development assistance program to support: more participatory, transparent, and accountable governance; broad-based resilient economic development; and improved health status for Ukrainians. USAID also supports U.S. Presidential Initiatives in Global Health and Global Climate Change."


    USAID | Embassy of the United States Kyiv, Ukraine

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...2014-a-64.html

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Crue. Here is one.


    "Since 1991, Ukraine’s development trajectory has taken the country from a command to a market-based economy. The United States Government maintains a strategic interest in helping Ukraine’s transition toward greater democracy and a sustainable free market economy. Over the last 20 years USAID has provided $1.8 billion in critical development assistance in support of the Ukrainian people. Much of this development assistance has helped Ukrainians experience increased political freedoms, stronger transparency guarantees, and more economic and social opportunities.

    Today, USAID/Ukraine implements a focused development assistance program to support: more participatory, transparent, and accountable governance; broad-based resilient economic development; and improved health status for Ukrainians. USAID also supports U.S. Presidential Initiatives in Global Health and Global Climate Change."


    USAID | Embassy of the United States Kyiv, Ukraine

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...2014-a-64.html
    Still pretty far from a hostile take over.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Tabloid trash info. Not real facts.
    News flash as well, the "west" has been spreading democracy for decades.

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