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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i dont hate the u.s. meaning the union, i hate the policies of the federal government inside and outside in which they do not follow the founding principles.

    my claim is this, if the u.s. does not have an alliance with the Ukraine, it is none of the u.s. business, because it does not threaten the u.s.

    no where is the u.s. to be the police of the world.

    so i dont care, what happens over there, useless it threatens the u.s., its citizens and their interest.
    I understand you only care about yourself - and believe everyone else should care about you too.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I understand you only care about yourself - and believe everyone else should care about you too.
    i am not a neo-conservtive like john McCain, who is supposed to present the state of Arizona......not to go off tto foreign lands, and and tell them, how there country should be, and or tell their people what their government should do for them.

    the founders were about peace, not saber rattling

    again ....your emotional contend of your argument weakens you...

    people who argue out of emotion, has no clear case to stand on.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    True, Ukraine was a fool to believe the USA and UK to give up their nuclear weapons. I understand you. You want massive Ukraine causalities and are bothered they are not committing suicide.
    First the missiles were SOVIET Missiles, second the Ukrainians 'gave up' the Nuclear weapons to gain money from the West. Third the Ukrainians were not fooled by anyone but themselves if they thought the memorandum was a military defense treaty. Fourth the colonies didn't sit back and demand France fight the world's first superpower for them back in the late 18th century.

    Now try and pay attention- I NEVER said the Ukrainians should die in massive numbers, you seem to lack any real debating skills and just make crap up...

    What I did say is it took FAR more than a few missiles to send the USSR packing in Afghanistan. The Afghanis fought for a decade, dying by the thousands, to drive the Soviet troops out.

    We 'Mericans celebrate several massacres as a point of pride or have you not heard of a small mission in Texas... I want to say it is called something like 'The Alamo'??? Ever heard of the sacrifice those few men made against hopeless odds? Our modern Cav units have enshrined a massacre of Custer's men. "Gerry Owen, Sir!", the ditty, wearing 7th Cav insignia...

    Sometimes what never beens call suicide is really making the ultimate sacrifice.

    The Ukrainians are not fighting for the Crimea because they know it really isn't part of their country, culture, or business.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Since there wasnt a battle I would hardly call it a military rout. Seems to me the Ukrainians just dont wanna fight.
    Neither did the French.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    he is not far off, the u.s. has be involved in the Ukraine for quite so time now, and pushing for democracy there, creating instability before this Russian thing ever got started.

    why does everyone always think the u.s. is innocent about things they do abroad ,when all one has to do is look here, and see how they violate the law.
    Pushing for democracy and a hostile take over are two different things.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    So, how is that Russian relations reset going?

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Pushing for democracy and a hostile take over are two different things.
    excuse me....i dont see in the delegated powers of our government..... a power to push democracy.

    america was not even created as a democracy......yet we have people who want it, even though its vile form of government.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    excuse me....i dont see in the delegated powers of our government..... a power to push democracy.

    america was not even created as a democracy......yet we have people who want it, even though its vile form of government.
    BS and you know it.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    BS and you know it.
    can you show me the power to push a form of government?

    really?..a democracy is a democratic form of government

    article 4 section 4 of the u.s. Constitution--The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Ukrane is as powerful right now as a 85 year old man in a wheelchair. Putin just took the wheels off the wheelchair...big fricken deal.


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