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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You should see a doctor about those hallucinations.
    he is not far off, the u.s. has be involved in the Ukraine for quite so time now, and pushing for democracy there, creating instability before this Russian thing ever got started.

    why does everyone always think the u.s. is innocent about things they do abroad ,when all one has to do is look here, and see how they violate the law.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I'm not seeing that, those companies have ties to Ukraine but they do not have much influence. If they did the economy would not be stagnating as it is, Ukraine is not ruled by American corporations, they have their own. European companies maybe but then again they want those. They want to participate in the Western economy which means they also want to be open to Western corporations as well as their own. I would also like to ask: do you believe that Russian corporations like Gazprom would be any better?
    I think that under EU/IMF/Nato auspices that the people of Ukraine will devalue their currency (not a benefit to citizens), raise the price od Energy (not a benefit to citizens), lower pensions (not a benefit to citizens), be forced to use Ukraine Patrimony to collateralize IMF loans (resources, pipelines, etc.), be forced to pay as you go plan for Russian gas (due to historic delinquencies), suffer from a citizenry split 50% by ideology to prevent progress (like repub/dem in USA), lower wages, higher unemployment, among other things, but those are the realistic projections of Western banking austerity.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    he is not far off, the u.s. has be involved in the Ukraine for quite so time now, and pushing for democracy there, creating instability before this Russian thing ever got started.

    why does everyone always think the u.s. is innocent about things they do abroad ,when all one has to do is look here, and see how they violate the law.
    Things sure are stable now that your hero Putin has taken over.

    At least he's putting an end to ethnic desegregation. Ukraine is suppose to be a WHITE country and everyone knows it! Your hero.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think that under EU/IMF/Nato auspices that the people of Ukraine will devalue their currency (not a benefit to citizens), raise the price od Energy (not a benefit to citizens), lower pensions (not a benefit to citizens), be forced to use Ukraine Patrimony to collateralize IMF loans (resources, pipelines, etc.), be forced to pay as you go plan for Russian gas (due to historic delinquencies), suffer from a citizenry split 50% by ideology to prevent progress (like repub/dem in USA), lower wages, higher unemployment, among other things, but those are the realistic projections of Western banking austerity.
    True that Putin will do that and much more. He'll drain the Ukraine like a vampire. Now more of those damn trade unions either, he'll stop that real quick!

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You have a unique remembering. It took millions in arms to keep the Afghans going. It took over a million dead Afghanis. 500 Stingers was the final nail in a coffin a decade in the making.

    But the key element was a nation willing to FIGHT and take MASSIVE casualties. It appears the Ukrainians are not willing to fight- far more willing to call the USofA into the conflict, which again is the Crimea, not a historic part of the Ukraine, wanting to be closer to Russia than the Ukraine.
    True, Ukraine was a fool to believe the USA and UK to give up their nuclear weapons.

    I understand you. You want massive Ukraine causalities and are bothered they are not committing suicide.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Things sure are stable now that your hero Putin has taken over.

    At least he's putting an end to ethnic desegregation. Ukraine is suppose to be a WHITE country and everyone knows it! Your hero.
    i would hardly call him a hero of mine.

    however if you read history you will see the u.s. has made governments unstable on purpose, and overthrown governments though subterfuge, supporting oppositions.

    being one who supports constitutional law....that is not a power of government

    and your emotional content of your statements, shows your weakness in debating.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You suggested giving arms to an opposition force to use against Russia, bad idea, just bad.

    That would mess up the USA/West and Russia dividing up the world plan for sure.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i would hardly call him a hero of mine.

    however if you read history you will see the u.s. has made governments unstable on purpose, and overthrow government though subterfuge, supporting oppositions.

    being one who supports constitutional law....that is not a power of government
    So has Russia, the UK and many other countries. Why do you MOST hate the United States?

    Explain you obvious claim that Western Europeans were worse off then Eastern Europeans under Soviet total control?

    Obviously you want Ukraine to lose its sovereignty to Russia with your declaring the USA's efforts to help Ukraine fully severe from Russian domination.

    So... it's your claim. Prove you claim that it is better to be forced to be a Russian than to be a Ukrainean? That is your claim.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So has Russia, the UK and many other countries. Why do you MOST hate the United States?

    Explain you obvious claim that Western Europeans were worse off then Eastern Europeans under Soviet total control?

    Obviously you want Ukraine to lose its sovereignty to Russia with your declaring the USA's efforts to help Ukraine fully severe from Russian domination.

    So... it's your claim. Prove you claim that it is better to be forced to be a Russian than to be a Ukrainean? That is your claim.

    i dont hate the u.s. meaning the union, i hate the policies of the federal government inside and outside in which they do not follow the founding principles.

    my claim is this, if the u.s. does not have an alliance with the Ukraine, it is none of the u.s. business, because it does not threaten the u.s.

    no where is the u.s. to be the police of the world.

    so i dont care, what happens over there, useless it threatens the u.s., its citizens and their interest.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    I'm a believer in what goes around, comes around. I believe there will be terrible payback and retribution against the USA for this in the long run.

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