Since there wasnt a battle I would hardly call it a military rout. Seems to me the Ukrainians just dont wanna fight.
WE - RUSSIA, the USA and UK tricked those Ukraineans quite skillfully. Talked them right back into Russia subjugation. We get massive resources without Russia opposition along Russia's Southern border as our cut.
And we will continue to do so because there is no real possible payback or resistance. Not yet anyway.
Last edited by Carjosse; 03-26-14 at 10:22 AM.
Quantity tends to have a quality all it's own. For (another) example, the Sherman tanks were inferior in WWII once we invaded Africa and Europe to their German counterparts - but we had lots of them. Russians used the mass-over-quality approach in their war with Germany as well, and 80% of German casualties happened on the Eastern Front because of it. I don't know if you can accurately compare Russians to Iraqi's as far as skill of employment is concerned.Look at when U.S. weapons go to battle, Iraq or with the Israelies versus Russian equipment. The numbers of tanks, planes etc are less relevant than the ability of those tanks and planes.
Interesting. You do not consider the Ukraine or the Baltic States to be part of Europe?Putin can make small moves to take back some of a lost empire, but has no real ability to move into Europe.
True enough; and in his ability to use petro-power and threats to shove eastern Europe around. I would add "Egypt" to that list - when General Sisi decided that "the people" desired him to step down in order to "run" (he will certainly win overwhelmingly) for President, he went to get Putin's blessing, not ours.Where he can and will hurt us is in places like Syria and Iran where his greater personal strength will win out.
“If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.”
- Alexander Hamilton. Spiritual father of #NeverTrump
http://www.debatepolitics.com/intern...nd-ukrane.html (Events Connected to and or involving Other Countries over Russia and the Ukrane......)
Plus, RM has it up in the Europe Forum.
But the key element was a nation willing to FIGHT and take MASSIVE casualties. It appears the Ukrainians are not willing to fight- far more willing to call the USofA into the conflict, which again is the Crimea, not a historic part of the Ukraine, wanting to be closer to Russia than the Ukraine.