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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Let's wait until he's not playing in his own backyard.
    We tried that once and 400,000 Americans died.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Since there wasnt a battle I would hardly call it a military rout. Seems to me the Ukrainians just dont wanna fight.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You know that doesn't work. I give you Iraq and Afghanistan as examples. What we did helping the musha hadeen ended up biting us in the rump on 9/11/01. How's that for simplistic?
    What does that have to do with what I posted? In fact, it only took us giving a few small surface to air shoulderable missiles to run Russia out of Afghanistan.

    I ACTUALLY BELIEVE that Musha Hadeen attacked us on 9-11? Wow.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Since there wasnt a battle I would hardly call it a military rout. Seems to me the Ukrainians just dont wanna fight.
    They were scammed and sold out by the USA and UK - and they know it. So they have the choice of being slaughtered or giving up. What else can they do when those who promised alliance if the gave up their nuclear weapons now just point and them and laugh "SUCKERS!!!"

    WE - RUSSIA, the USA and UK tricked those Ukraineans quite skillfully. Talked them right back into Russia subjugation. We get massive resources without Russia opposition along Russia's Southern border as our cut.

    And we will continue to do so because there is no real possible payback or resistance. Not yet anyway.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I apologize for the Mainstream News comment. Tymoshenko was the one in jail and she's not any kind of hero. Check and see what her old ally Yushenko had to say about her. Ukraine is being carved up by Corporate players in the NWO. Cargill, Monsanto, John Deere, and Chevron to name a few.
    I'm not seeing that, those companies have ties to Ukraine but they do not have much influence. If they did the economy would not be stagnating as it is, Ukraine is not ruled by American corporations, they have their own. European companies maybe but then again they want those. They want to participate in the Western economy which means they also want to be open to Western corporations as well as their own. I would also like to ask: do you believe that Russian corporations like Gazprom would be any better?
    Last edited by Carjosse; 03-26-14 at 12:22 PM.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    What a bunch of bullcrap. Obama got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (Ukraine) and Russia was forced to protect its' interests and people. The USA should be tried in th eUN for coercion, insurrection, and creating instability in Ukraine. The USA Media won't admit it, but shootings in Kiev were by the opposition, not Yanukovych.
    Yep DF. Russia was forced to make a move to protect its interests. Either way once they ran Yanukovych out it was a Coup.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What does that have to do with what I posted? In fact, it only took us giving a few small surface to air shoulderable missiles to run Russia out of Afghanistan.

    I ACTUALLY BELIEVE that Musha Hadeen attacked us on 9-11? Wow.
    You suggested giving arms to an opposition force to use against Russia, bad idea, just bad.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    There seems to be a major difference between what Putin is doing and what happened in the 1930's. before his advances, Hitler has built up is armed forces. Especially on the technological front, they were much superior to military he was about to face
    Actually he wasn't. In one of History's perennial lessons on the importance of generalship, sound strategy, and willingness to exert one's self to force a conclusion, the German Wehrmacht was actually militarily inferior to the forces of France and Britain at the time.

    Look at when U.S. weapons go to battle, Iraq or with the Israelies versus Russian equipment. The numbers of tanks, planes etc are less relevant than the ability of those tanks and planes.
    Quantity tends to have a quality all it's own. For (another) example, the Sherman tanks were inferior in WWII once we invaded Africa and Europe to their German counterparts - but we had lots of them. Russians used the mass-over-quality approach in their war with Germany as well, and 80% of German casualties happened on the Eastern Front because of it. I don't know if you can accurately compare Russians to Iraqi's as far as skill of employment is concerned.

    Putin can make small moves to take back some of a lost empire, but has no real ability to move into Europe.
    Interesting. You do not consider the Ukraine or the Baltic States to be part of Europe?

    Where he can and will hurt us is in places like Syria and Iran where his greater personal strength will win out.
    True enough; and in his ability to use petro-power and threats to shove eastern Europe around. I would add "Egypt" to that list - when General Sisi decided that "the people" desired him to step down in order to "run" (he will certainly win overwhelmingly) for President, he went to get Putin's blessing, not ours.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well people are saying he will not go after the rest of Ukraine but after Transnistria, which is a breakaway region of Moldova. I don't think anyone would care too much about that but it give Putin access to the rest of Eastern Europe. My issue is that there areas are not connected to Russia in anyway, they depend on their neighbouring nations, it would be like the U.S. annexing parts of Indonesia or something, it is highly impractical for logistical reasons.
    That's Correct Carjosse. As Head of NATO stated that this morning with the exercises that were taking place there. I put it up in here.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/intern...nd-ukrane.html

    Plus, RM has it up in the Europe Forum.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What does that have to do with what I posted? In fact, it only took us giving a few small surface to air shoulderable missiles to run Russia out of Afghanistan. I ACTUALLY BELIEVE that Musha Hadeen attacked us on 9-11? Wow.
    You have a unique remembering. It took millions in arms to keep the Afghans going. It took over a million dead Afghanis. 500 Stingers was the final nail in a coffin a decade in the making.

    But the key element was a nation willing to FIGHT and take MASSIVE casualties. It appears the Ukrainians are not willing to fight- far more willing to call the USofA into the conflict, which again is the Crimea, not a historic part of the Ukraine, wanting to be closer to Russia than the Ukraine.

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