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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well people are saying he will not go after the rest of Ukraine but after Transnistria, which is a breakaway region of Moldova. I don't think anyone would care too much about that but it give Putin access to the rest of Eastern Europe. My issue is that there areas are not connected to Russia in anyway, they depend on their neighbouring nations, it would be like the U.S. annexing parts of Indonesia or something, it is highly impractical for logistical reasons.
    Well, I'm not Nostradamus but I can just foresee Russians dealing with more terrorist attacks over this. If Americans won't get ugly with Russia, some group might organize and wage a bit of sabotage, some subversion with some nasty attacks. It wouldn't surprise me either that the CIA might have something to do with it covertly. Something like what the US did in Afghanistan to put the Russians on their heels.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Actually his first "invasion" was Rhineland.
    Well Sudetenland is a perfect parallel for the Crimea as they were invaded and annexed for the same reasons.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Well, I'm not Nostradamus but I can just foresee Russians dealing with more terrorist attacks over this. If American won't get ugly with Russia, some group might organize and wage a bit of sabotage, some subversion with some nasty attacks. It wouldn't surprise me either that the CIA might have something to do with it covertly. Something like what the US did in Afghanistan to put the Russians on their heels.
    They already have that in the Caucasus regions.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Listening to Sen. McCain this morning 03-26-14 he said he doubts Russia will move in on the Ukraine but let me offer this one up and it should be very familiar to history buffs. Suddenly we receive news hundreds if not a thousand Russian soldiers were found massacred somewhere in the Ukraine (recall Poland in WWII and the Gulf of Tonkin-Viet Nam). Putin declares this horrible act of aggression as an act of war thus declares war on the gangsters. Note the Russian military thinks nothing of killing their own as we witnessed in WWII. For McCain to say they won't go in but in the same breath say Putin wants the U.S.S.R back does not fit. Second thing is if we decide to re-arm Poland Putin could use that as an excuse to invade anywhere in range of the nukes.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That was Neville Chamberlain's response to Hitlers' invasion of Czechoslovakia, nominally to protect ethnic Russians who were being "mistreated" in the Sudentland. Vacillating and weak Western response convinced Hitler that he could pretty much take what he wanted and, arguably, led to his decision to invade Poland, starting WWII.
    There seems to be a major difference between what Putin is doing and what happened in the 1930's. before his advances, Hitler has built up is armed forces. Especially on the technological front, they were much superior to military he was about to face. Not really true of current Russia.

    Look at when U.S. weapons go to battle, Iraq or with the Israelies versus Russian equipment. The numbers of tanks, planes etc are less relevant than the ability of those tanks and planes.

    Putin can make small moves to take back some of a lost empire, but has no real ability to move into Europe.

    Where he can and will hurt us is in places like Syria and Iran where his greater personal strength will win out.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your messages are just bizarre. You declare Russian military occupation and conquest is heroic, while cursing non-military actions of your own country. Obviously you want the white race to go to war - literally - against the mongrel races.
    I don't even know of any mongrel races, but you are obviously a rascist.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You're not a very good poker player, are you?

    We would not have to send anyone to war to break Russia's back over this. All we'd have to do is put a limited number of weapons into the hands of Russia's enemies in Eastern Europe and the Ukraine.

    Your foreign policy - like some many on the forum - is very simplistic and it found in 1 word: "Retreat!"

    However, this seems very clearly a deal between the USA and Russia. They get East Europe back. We get all the Southern former Soviet bloc countries. Cold war super powers dividing out the rest of the world.
    You know that doesn't work. I give you Iraq and Afghanistan as examples. What we did helping the musha hadeen ended up biting us in the rump on 9/11/01. How's that for simplistic?

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I don't even know of any mongrel races, but you are obviously a rascist.
    Hahahahahaha, race card where there is no race component.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    The lesson of WWII is that isolation does not work. Had the USA not entered WWII Germany would have gained the nuclear bomb and ruled the world. Arguably, WWII would not have happened if Hitler/Germany was not convinced the USA would stay out and was so expanded that it evolved to a "world war" as a result.

    The dynamics are different now with nuclear weapons, which makes matters far more rather than less dangerous. The action in the Ukraine is putting maximum pressure on other countries to develop weapons of mass destruction.

    So, if you feel comfortable with 75 3rd world dictators and theocrats having biological, chemical, dirty bomb and nuclear weapons, then what is happening now is just fine to you.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    They do have the heroes of the revolution, they were the leaders of the opposition form prison not the U.S. embassy. Russia poisoned the democratically elected president that tired to get closer to the EU. I don't watch US mainstream media, thank you very much, I also have never watched TV news.
    I apologize for the Mainstream News comment. Tymoshenko was the one in jail and she's not any kind of hero. Check and see what her old ally Yushenko had to say about her. Ukraine is being carved up by Corporate players in the NWO. Cargill, Monsanto, John Deere, and Chevron to name a few.

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