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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    First the missiles were SOVIET Missiles, second the Ukrainians 'gave up' the Nuclear weapons to gain money from the West. Third the Ukrainians were not fooled by anyone but themselves if they thought the memorandum was a military defense treaty. Fourth the colonies didn't sit back and demand France fight the world's first superpower for them back in the late 18th century.

    Now try and pay attention- I NEVER said the Ukrainians should die in massive numbers, you seem to lack any real debating skills and just make crap up...

    What I did say is it took FAR more than a few missiles to send the USSR packing in Afghanistan. The Afghanis fought for a decade, dying by the thousands, to drive the Soviet troops out.

    We 'Mericans celebrate several massacres as a point of pride or have you not heard of a small mission in Texas... I want to say it is called something like 'The Alamo'??? Ever heard of the sacrifice those few men made against hopeless odds? Our modern Cav units have enshrined a massacre of Custer's men. "Gerry Owen, Sir!", the ditty, wearing 7th Cav insignia...

    Sometimes what never beens call suicide is really making the ultimate sacrifice.

    The Ukrainians are not fighting for the Crimea because they know it really isn't part of their country, culture, or business.
    Ukraine is not fighting Russia because they don't have a chance.

    So you have the Hollywood view of the Alamo. Those at the Alamo had an arsenal of cannons, vastly more than Santa Anna. They believed Sam Houston would come with the Texas army for those cannons, which is how they held off the initial wave attacks. When they learned Houston would not come Santa Anna had already given the death ultimatum. The line in the dirt is a myth as at that point they were surrounded and there was no escape. They did not decide to make the "ultimate sacrifice." They miscalculated Sam Houston, were surrounded, and had been told no prisoners would be taken alive.

    At least you are one people who believes Hitler was correct to tell Germans at Stalingrad to fight to the death of the last soldier and his declaring all Germans should die rather than surrender - since that is your repeated view now.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Neither did the French.
    The French fought. What are you talking about?

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The French fought. What are you talking about?
    As in? They capitulated. Germany took Paris without firing a shot.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You would have to read the Treaty of Versailles. Not sure, but he took it back. Many thought it was a "testing of the waters" and since no one said anything, he took it as a go for whatever else he wanted to do.
    Treaty of Versailles only said Germany couldn't militarize it. Rhineland was part of Germany, so was Saarland (but under French rule). In 1935 Saarland voted to be release back to Germany. Rhineland itself included cities like Cologne, Mainz, Mannheim, Dusseldorf. Germany's industry sector.

    Sudetenland was known as German Bohemians as well. After WW1 Germans in this area protested and protested and protested only to be put down by the newly formed Czech military. US Ambassador Archibald Cary Coolidge told Wilson to give certain regions like Cheb to Germany and South Moravia and South Bohemia to Austria. This was ignored.
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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    As in? They capitulated. Germany took Paris without firing a shot.
    Germany took Paris without firing a shot? Battle of France lasted over a month with about 360,000 dead or wounded French, British, Dutch and Belgian forces and Germany and Italy taking 163,650 casualties.


    Yep.. Germany took Paris without a shot being fired..
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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    As in? They capitulated. Germany took Paris without firing a shot.
    So your another person who want civilians killed and cities destroyed. Disgusting. The French military found and lost. Many French soldiers were killed in the fight.

    Obviously you claim the Confederacy were all a bunch of cowards too because they abandoned and surrendered cities they could not defend so they would not be destroyed.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well, the good guy according to you. It wouldn't make him the good guy according to Gazprom or Russian oligarchs.

    Then what about Crimea? Why should Ukraine be allowed to choose it's path, but not Crimea?
    That is an nonsensical statement. The Crimea was Ukraine.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So your another person who want civilians killed and cities destroyed. Disgusting. The French military found and lost. Many French soldiers were killed in the fight.

    Obviously you claim the Confederacy were all a bunch of cowards too because they abandoned and surrendered cities they could not defend so they would not be destroyed.
    Where did you get any of that? The French military barely put up a fight in WWII, the Maginot Line was worthless, no advancements in tank or air tech between then and WWI and no real will to fight.
    Which all has zero to do with the South during the Civil War.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Germany took Paris without firing a shot? Battle of France lasted over a month with about 360,000 dead or wounded French, British, Dutch and Belgian forces and Germany and Italy taking 163,650 casualties.


    Yep.. Germany took Paris without a shot being fired..
    Paris was not fought for or defended.

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    Re: In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    How can you invade a region that was part of Germany? You mean he kicked out the Occupiers?
    God, not another Nazi worshipper here! Where is Stormfront when you really need it? Hey - come get your guys back!
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