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Ukraine far-right leader Muzychko dies 'in police raid'

Moot said:
Yup.

Ultranationalism

Ultranationalism is a zealous nationalism that expresses extremist support for one's nationalist ideals. It is often characterized by authoritarianism, efforts toward reduction or stoppage of immigration, expulsion and or oppression of non-native populations within the nation or its territories, demagoguery of leadership, emotionalism, fomenting talk of presumed, real, or imagined enemies, predicating the existence of threats to the survival of the native, dominant or otherwise idealized national ethnicity or population group, instigation or extremist reaction to crack-down policies in law enforcement, efforts to limit international trade through tariffs, tight control over businesses and production, militarism, populism and propaganda. Prevalent ultranationalism typically leads to or is the result of conflict within a state, and or between states, and is identified as a condition of pre-war in national politics.[citation needed] In its extremist forms ultranationalism is characterized as a call to war against enemies of the nation/state, secession or, in the case of ethnocentrist ultranationalism, genocide.[55]

Fascism is a form of palingenetic ultranationalism[56] that promotes "class collaboration" (as opposed to class struggle), a totalitarian state, and irredentism or expansionism to unify and allow the growth of a nation. Fascists sometimes promote ethnic or cultural nationalism. Fascism stresses the subservience of the individual to the state, and the need for absolute and unquestioned loyalty to a strong ruler.[57]

Nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Then you mean Putin. He meets virtually all those definitions.
 
Demon of Light said:
What I am saying is that it does not really matter. Not wanting or being able to afford for something to happen does not magically keep it from happening. It is about what all sides are willing to do to avoid a civil war.
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If neither side wants war then it goes without saying they would try to avoid it.
 
Moot said:
If neither side wants war then it goes without saying they would try to avoid it.
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:dohThis type of delusional thinking is exactly what leads to wars. Again I ask, when does either side in a dispute want a civil war?
 
Demon of Light said:
:dohThis type of delusional thinking is exactly what leads to wars. Again I ask, when does either side in a dispute want a civil war?
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Well, there are other sides that seem to want war. The ultra-nationalists, for one.
 
Moot said:
I heard on the radio that he was under investigation for commiting crimes and when they came to get him, he shot and wounded a cop in a shoot out. He was killed by police returning fire.


That happens in America, too.
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You really believe that, too...huh?

This dude was assassinated...period!
 
Demon of Light said:
Source: BBC News

The government is apparently claiming he committed suicide, though the Right Sector founder Dmytro Yarosh is having none of that and calling for the Interior Minister to resign and the police units involved to be arrested. Apparently, in the face of all the threats of retaliation, Avakov has decided to crack down on the group and is reportedly planning to clear the Maidan of the group. Of course, the last person who tried to clear protesters out of the Maidan did not have that venture end well for him. The fractures are beginning to show with the Maidan revolutionaries as Klitshcko is now looking for a vote to unseat the acting president.
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And so.....it begins.
 
Moot said:
I heard on the radio that he was under investigation for commiting crimes and when they came to get him, he shot and wounded a cop in a shoot out. He was killed by police returning fire.


That happens in America, too.
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or just a car accident. :cool: that happens too.
 
apdst said:
You really believe that, too...huh?

This dude was assassinated...period!
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I've heard several accounts...but most seem to concur that he was killed during a shoot out at a cafe where there were many eye witnesses.
 
Most agree there was a shout-out at a cafe, but what happened after that is murky. Reports indicate he fled the cafe and it was outside that he was ultimately killed. One claim is that there was a struggle and they were grabbing at the gun when it just "went off" right into his heart. I must say, neither that nor suicide seem like terribly credible versions of events. The man was a serious liability from a PR standpoint, so I would not put it past the government to take a little extrajudicial action.

At any rate, Right Sector supporters are threatening to storm the parliament if the Kiev government does not take action against the Interior Minister:

Over 1,500 nationalists from the Right Sector have circled Ukrainian parliament in Kiev threatening to storm it on Thursday. They demanded the resignation of the interior minister after their leader Muzychko was killed in a police operation.


Up to 2,000 members of the Right Sector, which recently was revamped into a political party, flooded the square in front of Verkhovna Rada in the Ukrainian capital on Thursday night. The radicals, who brought car tires to burn with them, were banging on the Parliament’s doors, smashing the glass parts in them.

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Several hours into the standoff activists announced the rally was over for tonight as they decided not to storm the building just yet, but reconvene tomorrow.


On Friday, Verkhovna Rada will hold an emergency session to discuss the possibility of Avakov’s resignation, one of the representatives of the Right sector told Itar-Tass. Right Sector activists have been urged to gather outside the Parliament building at 9:00 GMT.

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Following the death, Right Sector leaders threatened Avakov with revenge, though they did not specify exactly what they would do. Dmitry Yarosh called for the minister's dismissal.


"We’ll wait for the negotiators from the Parliament, the MPs, but we won’t settle for Avakov’s resignation – we want his tribunal,” the radicals announced through megaphones.
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You have a serious challenge for this government as giving in to the Right Sector at this point would basically sink all talk of disarming the paramilitary groups and harm the government's credibility, which would risk fueling unrest. On the other hand, ignoring the demands of the Right Sector could lead to a seizure of government buildings by the group and its supporters, which would risk fueling unrest.
 
Moot said:
I've heard several accounts...but most seem to concur that he was killed during a shoot out at a cafe where there were many eye witnesses.
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Right!
 
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