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BP confirms oil spill into Lake Michigan from Whiting refinery

AJiveMan said:
This is beginning to sound like a broken record.

I guess I won't plan on fishing Lake Michigan this summer.




BP Whiting crude oil Lake Michigan spill - chicagotribune.com
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If you're changing your fishing plans, you clearly didn't read the article. It was a small leak, which due to the cold temps caused the oil to quickly harden and make a clean up simple.

And comparing this to Deepwater Horizon spill is downright disingenuous.
 
AJiveMan said:
This is beginning to sound like a broken record.

I guess I won't plan on fishing Lake Michigan this summer.



BP Whiting crude oil Lake Michigan spill - chicagotribune.com
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You can thank your lucky stars you cancelled your plan, it wasn't all that safe beforehand.

Lake Michigan is used as a place to dump many toxic materials, even though this negatively affects the lake's ecosystem and the people who use the lake. There are more laws about this now than before, and the lake is cleaner than it used to be, but it is still very dirty. Many industrial companies — who have no place to dispose of the waste they create — dump the waste in the lake, where it "disappears." It disappears for them, at least, since they don't have to care about it anymore. However, it still affects the lake, as well as everything that lives in and around the lake.

One of the main problems Lake Michigan faces is dumping of sewage. Not only is the material in sewage toxic and not good for anything that lives in the lake, it also fosters growth of harmful bacteria. This is why Chicago's beaches are sometimes closed. On especially hot days, bacteria growth becomes too great, and it becomes dangerous to swim in such dirty water.

How clean is Lake Michigan? | MNN - Mother Nature Network
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clownboy said:
You can thank your lucky stars you cancelled your plan, it wasn't all that safe beforehand.
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PCB's. Now made worse by an oil spill, nice going BP.
 
Fishstyx said:
If you're changing your fishing plans, you clearly didn't read the article. It was a small leak, which due to the cold temps caused the oil to quickly harden and make a clean up simple.

And comparing this to Deepwater Horizon spill is downright disingenuous.
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Not disingenuous at all, and I never compared it to Horizon, how you got that stuff, I don't know. I heard it on a live report on ABC7 Chicago.

Whiting oil spill cleanup underway at BP refinery | abc7chicago.com

Get this, the gubmint is going to allow BP to police itself on this one too. Bad idea.

I could post some other BP misgivings, do you want me to start on how careless of a corporation they really are?

But BP, the nation’s biggest oil and gas producer, has a worse health, environment and safety record than many other major oil companies, according to Yulia Reuter, the head of the energy research team at RiskMetrics, a consulting group that assigns scores to companies based on their performance in various categories, including safety.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/business/09bp.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
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AJiveMan said:
PCB's. Now made worse by an oil spill, nice going BP.
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How ironic you bitching about an oil company given your signature. Try running your engine without oil.
 
Fishstyx said:
If you're changing your fishing plans, you clearly didn't read the article. It was a small leak, which due to the cold temps caused the oil to quickly harden and make a clean up simple. And comparing this to Deepwater Horizon spill is downright disingenuous.
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I disagree. While the amount of poisonous fluid leaked was small, the very fact it did leak sends off alarms. This is a zero tolerance project and if their engineers cannot design their mechanisms to prevent small leaks, are we to see another round of BP blaming everyone except their own incompetence?
 
American said:
So say you.
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I do actually own a vehicle and drive occasionally, but when I gas up, I make it a point not to buy BP fuels or oils, and bypass stations which receive deliveries of fuels from BP refineries. BTW, my vehicle's engine uses synthetic oil, and doesn't use any oil between 5,000 mile changes.

I make it a point to boycott companies and corporations who do not operate in our environment safely.

You do know BP's lackluster history of spills and accidents, don't you? Or, are you willing to overlook that small fact? As long as it's gas, you don't care how it was gotten.

BP releases list of stations that sold tainted gas - Chicago Tribune
 
AJiveMan said:
I do actually own a vehicle and drive occasionally, but when I gas up, I make it a point not to buy BP fuels or oils, and bypass stations which receive deliveries of fuels from BP refineries. BTW, my vehicle's engine uses synthetic oil, and doesn't use any oil between 5,000 mile changes.

I make it a point to boycott companies and corporations who do not operate in our environment safely.

You do know BP's lackluster history of spills and accidents, don't you? Or, are you willing to overlook that small fact? As long as it's gas, you don't care how it was gotten.

BP releases list of stations that sold tainted gas - Chicago Tribune
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Is that a charge you're making?
 
So the leak was detected at 4:30 only when a sheen was seen.
No sensors detecting and anomaly, alarm sounds off, Scotty complaining about a warp core breach?
Not very encouraging.
Sounds like they got lucky with favorable wind and temps rather than getting a handle on the situation from the start.

And whats with heavy and light oil getting into a SEALED cooling system?
 
AJiveMan said:
I do actually own a vehicle and drive occasionally, but when I gas up, I make it a point not to buy BP fuels or oils, and bypass stations which receive deliveries of fuels from BP refineries. BTW, my vehicle's engine uses synthetic oil, and doesn't use any oil between 5,000 mile changes.

I make it a point to boycott companies and corporations who do not operate in our environment safely.
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Are you serious? You can't avoid buying from BP. What Oil BP doesn't use for it refineries and gas stations which have 2 different brand names othern then BP (ARCO and AmPm) is sold on the market. it's bought by other oil companies when it hits the shores of the US via the Gulf of Mexico or Alaska.. So your pissing in the wind saying you don't buy a specific brand.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Not disingenuous at all, and I never compared it to Horizon, how you got that stuff, I don't know. I heard it on a live report on ABC7 Chicago.
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And whats the "broken record" comment than? Assumed its in reference to the DWH spill but if I'm wrong, all good.

AJiveMan said:
Get this, the gubmint is going to allow BP to police itself on this one too. Bad idea.

I could post some other BP misgivings, do you want me to start on how careless of a corporation they really are?
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Why would say the "gumint" is allowing them to police themselves? From the article you posted:

Both the EPA and the U.S. Coast Guard have been overseeing the clean up efforts. They say that most of the affected shoreline, about 2,700 yards, has already been cleaned up, but a more comprehensive assessment is scheduled for Wednesday.
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Looks like they're being policed just fine.
 
austrianecon said:
Are you serious? You can't avoid buying from BP. What Oil BP doesn't use for it refineries and gas stations which have 2 different brand names othern then BP (ARCO and AmPm) is sold on the market. it's bought by other oil companies when it hits the shores of the US via the Gulf of Mexico or Alaska.. So your pissing in the wind saying you don't buy a specific brand.
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Not at all. In my area, I know where the gasolines come from. Speedway stations in my area receive deliveries from Whiting Indiana and came from the BP refinery there.
 
Fishstyx said:
And whats the "broken record" comment than? Assumed its in reference to the DWH spill but if I'm wrong, all good.



Why would say the "gumint" is allowing them to police themselves? From the article you posted:



Looks like they're being policed just fine.
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Not according to live news reports on television this morning. The gubmint, it was said, will oversee BP's self policing, bad policy.

Ordinarily, an oil spill wouldn't garner much of my attention, except this spill in Lake Michigan is where many people who live in states along the shorelines receive their drinking water from. I pointed out how careless BP has been in the past, and evidently, they're carrying on their tradition of spoiling once again.

Yeah, they'll probably pay another fine, but what does that do for people who are victims to their carelessness?
 
uncleray said:
So the leak was detected at 4:30 only when a sheen was seen.
No sensors detecting and anomaly, alarm sounds off, Scotty complaining about a warp core breach?
Not very encouraging.
Sounds like they got lucky with favorable wind and temps rather than getting a handle on the situation from the start.

And whats with heavy and light oil getting into a SEALED cooling system?
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It's bothersome because all of us living in the Great Lakes Region get our drinking water from our lakes. We don't rely on water wells around these parts.
 
Fishstyx said:
If you're changing your fishing plans, you clearly didn't read the article. It was a small leak, which due to the cold temps caused the oil to quickly harden and make a clean up simple.

And comparing this to Deepwater Horizon spill is downright disingenuous.
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Bad press is bad press. Credibility is irrelevant.
 
AJiveMan said:
It's bothersome because all of us living in the Great Lakes Region get our drinking water from our lakes. We don't rely on water wells around these parts.
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I hear ya.
Sounds like another case of, "Everything's fine, nothing to see here, move along"
 
uncleray said:
I hear ya.
Sounds like another case of, "Everything's fine, nothing to see here, move along"
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Yes, and that happened when we had cryptosporidium poisoning in Lake Michigan water years ago. Only when people began to die were eyebrows raised, and officials finally got to the bottom of it.
 
AJiveMan said:
Not at all. In my area, I know where the gasolines come from. Speedway stations in my area receive deliveries from Whiting Indiana and came from the BP refinery there.
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And where do the other gas stations in your area which are not speed ways get their deliveries from? ;)
 
austrianecon said:
And where do the other gas stations in your area which are not speed ways get their deliveries from? ;)
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One would be Citgo in Lemont, Illinois.

I purchase Citgo most of the time.
 
AJiveMan said:
One would be Citgo in Lemont, Illinois.

I purchase Citgo most of the time.
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So you have no clue. Like I said Citgo can buy BP crude from Gulf of Mexico, or even BP Canada. ;)
 
austrianecon said:
So you have no clue. Like I said Citgo can buy BP crude from Gulf of Mexico, or even BP Canada. ;)
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As I understand the stats and reports, BP is about the worst offender to our environment. But, it wasn't Citgo that leaked oil into Lake Michigan, it was BP.
 
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