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    Re: Girl, 9, barred from school for shaving head to support friend with cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    life is run by rules and guidelines. people that break them usually end up in jail or dead.
    People break rules all the time and don't end up punished for them due to there being exceptions made due to circumstances.

    That episode of Star Trek: TNG, Justice comes to mind here. The one where they went to the paradise planet and Wesley fell into the flower beds playing with the other kids and they didn't know that it was "illegal". The only punishment they had for any crime was death. They refused to take into account the circumstances of the event, only considering that a law was broken.

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    Re: Girl, 9, barred from school for shaving head to support friend with cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hey, I have to agree with the school, the rule was in the student handbook. They're probably worried about skinheads in the school or something, but the rule was there. They're required to enforce it.
    It's a bull**** rule. How many high school football teams shave their heads as a sign of 'team spirit'? It's FAR from an unusual practice and there are plenty of good reasons for doing it INCLUDING as a sign of support for a friend with cancer. Bull**** rules need to be challenged on a regular basis or else you end up with runaway totalitarianism and THAT is intolerable.

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    Re: Girl, 9, barred from school for shaving head to support friend with cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Still no answer to my question.

    "But in a special meeting, school officials decided to let her come back to school Tuesday"
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    "However, she added exceptions could be made “under exigent and extraordinary circumstance"

    See, the school can bend the rule.
    Things should never be so black/white that exceptions cannot be made.
    [emphasis added by bubba]

    that word might need to be changed, especially given the context in which it was used
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    Re: Girl, 9, barred from school for shaving head to support friend with cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Then it's not stealing. It's giving. Denial of pressing charges is essentially consent.

    I really don't believe in the concept of fascist parents or "helicopter moms", but kids do need some structure. You can tell who the "hands-off" parents were, because their kids grow up to think that rules don't pertain to them.
    That's an example of when a rule can be overturned.

    Yep, we have similar opinions. Give the young ones a basic set of rules for conduct and let them develop into who'll they'll be.

    "Hands off" parents are basically raising brats. Might as well tell your kids to TP the house.
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    Re: Girl, 9, barred from school for shaving head to support friend with cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    She could've asked permission from the school. This isn't public school; there are distinct rules.
    It's her hair. Should she have to ask permission if she wants to wear it in a pony tail?

    If she was the one that had cancer, and her hair started to fall out...would she have to ask permision to shave it then?

    If she wants to cut her hair what is permissable? Seems to me she has to do to please the adminstration.


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    Re: Girl, 9, barred from school for shaving head to support friend with cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the parents should have kept quiet and sued - for large money - that their daughter was denied an education because her head was shaved for medical reasons: to get rid of lice
    So your answer is to perpetrate fraud for a large sum of money.

    Gotcha.

    I think the rule being applied here is ridiculous, but it's also a private school. The parents should've understood what they were going into when they signed their kid up. If they wanted to shave the head, they should've checked with the school first in terms of a possible waiver with regards to the policy.

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    Re: Girl, 9, barred from school for shaving head to support friend with cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    [emphasis added by bubba]

    that word might need to be changed, especially given the context in which it was used
    If you don't understand the way the phase was used that is not my problem.

    But to help you out. There should be grey areas to rules.

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    Re: Girl, 9, barred from school for shaving head to support friend with cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    "uniformity", in this application isn't that another way of say they discourage students from thinking as individuals?
    What type of hair you have has nothing to do with what you're able to THINK.

    It could be argued that it's another way to say they discourage kids from ACTING like individuals when it comes to appearance.

    Again, if the family didn't like the schools rules they shouldn't have enrolled their kid in it. I may think the rules are stupid. You may think the rule is stupid. But the parents AGREED to those rules and the school is free to have those rules.

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    Re: Girl, 9, barred from school for shaving head to support friend with cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I really can't grasp how anyone could hide behind a "dress code" in making a decision like this. Whoever made this ruling needs to be given cancer if that was possible.
    So enforcing a muturally agreed upon rule is reason wish a person to contract a life threatening disease in your mind.

    That makes sense.

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    Re: Girl, 9, barred from school for shaving head to support friend with cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    See, this is one of those totally avoidable situations. Let us imagine a scenario: girl wants to shave head to express support for friend with cancer(sound familiar? Just like what did happen, until...). Girl, knowing school has strict dress code and forbids shaved heads, goes to school administrators first. Now the administrators can either say, as they actually did when she came to school with a shaved head, you will need to wear a wig while actually at school, or they can say, well, you where willing to work with us so we will make an exception.

    What actually happened is the girl just ignored the rule and did as she pleased, which left the school with fewer options. Simply being proactive on her part would have solved things. This should be an important lesson for the girl. Too bad people are too busy being outraged...
    I personally am not outraged by the story, while I would normally agree with you on the rules need to be enforced thing, however I notice that as of late, discretion on the part of the school administrators is woefully lacking. This being a nine year old girl I believe the onus is on the adults ie parents AND the administration to deal with this matter and not the girl. I don't believe its the girls responsibility to ask permission to do something like this. Discretion was not exercised by any of the adults in this story until the end. Its seems to be a lost art.
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