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    Re: Obama to Call for End to N.S.A.ís Bulk Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Please. The congress and the senate also have a lot to do with the department of defense and the intelligence agencies. Ever heard of checks and balances? We don't live in a dictatorship where the chief executive has unlimited power and can change things on a dime by one phone call. Sometimes I wish we did as we'd get more done but we don't. So give up your argument. It's crap.
    Let me say it again: THE NSA IS UNDER DIRECT AUThORITY OF THE PRESIDENT. HE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ORDER OPERATONS HALTED.
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    Re: Obama to Call for End to N.S.A.ís Bulk Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    That still does not mean POTUS has unprecedented authority to do whatever he wants. Why do you think Bush had to pass the Patriot Act to get the wide range surveillance system we have now?
    You really dont know the difference. Do you? Incredible!
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    Re: Obama to Call for End to N.S.A.ís Bulk Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let me say it again: THE NSA IS UNDER DIRECT AUThORITY OF THE PRESIDENT. HE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ORDER OPERATONS HALTED.
    And deprive Congress a vote on it in an election year?

    Please, we all know what will happen. It will go on until 2016, when both candidates will jump and down telling us they don't like it. Then whoever wins the election won't do anything.


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    Re: Obama to Call for End to N.S.A.ís Bulk Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why cant you answer the question?

    Really? Can he?
    Where's the law that orders the NSA to gather all our phone calls? That's right there isn't one. So don't mix your comment about Bush with something clearly under Obama's control. Getting permission is one thing, taking it away is another.
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    Re: Obama to Call for End to N.S.A.ís Bulk Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Where's the law that orders the NSA to gather all our phone calls?
    The law that gives them the power to do that is called the patriot act....

    That's right there isn't one.
    No there is.

    So don't mix your comment about Bush with something clearly under Obama's control. Getting permission is one thing, taking it away is another.
    So your not going to answer the question. You claim that bills are not needed for a POTUS to order an agency to do something. The question was why then did Bush have to pass the patriot act to get these powers?


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    Re: Obama to Call for End to N.S.A.ís Bulk Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/25/us...=tw-share&_r=1

    Hell yes! This is definaltey a step in the right direction. Its clear that the people of this country what these kind of practices ended. Its definaltey a start, but its not perfect. I expect most people accept this as a definate step in the right direction. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Sounds like an attempt at deflection to me.

    Why doesn't Obama just choose to ignore the law that gives the NSA these powers and order them to stop? Where's that big pen he's been talking about? Doesn't Obama appoint the head of the NSA as a cabinet post?
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    Re: Obama to Call for End to N.S.A.ís Bulk Data Collection

    Show me someone who thinks this is anything but a political maneuver and I'll show you a fool.

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    Re: Obama to Call for End to N.S.A.ís Bulk Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Sounds like an attempt at deflection to me.

    Why doesn't Obama just choose to ignore the law that gives the NSA these powers and order them to stop? Where's that big pen he's been talking about? Doesn't Obama appoint the head of the NSA as a cabinet post?
    Probably because he approves of what the NSA is doing! For heaven sakes, you don't expect him to listen to the people of this country who object to this, do you? Look at the ACA as a prime example of what I mean.

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    Re: Obama to Call for End to N.S.A.ís Bulk Data Collection

    Obama is finally doing something because Dianne Feinstein told him to.

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    Re: Obama to Call for End to N.S.A.ís Bulk Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Probably because he approves of what the NSA is doing!
    Exactly. He's not an idiot.
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