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    U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8

    The Hague, Netherlands (CNN) -- U.S. President Barack Obama and other world leaders have decided to end Russia's role in the group of leading industrialized nations, the White House said Monday.The move to suspend Russia's membership in the G8 is the latest direct response from major countries allied against Russia's annexation of Crimea.
    "International law prohibits the acquisition of part or all of another state's territory through coercion or force," the statement said. "To do so violates the principles upon which the international system is built. We condemn the illegal referendum held in Crimea in violation of Ukraine's constitution.
    "We also strongly condemn Russia's illegal attempt to annex Crimea in contravention of international law and specific international obligations."
    Earlier in the day, Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said being kicked out of G8 would be no big deal.


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    Throwing up the deuces. See ya later Russia!


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    Re: U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8

    heard this in the radio and it's been discussed much since Russia rolled in to Crimea. I oft wondered, in Hillary's famous line, what difference does it make? Western Europe will still buy natural gas from Russia. Others will still buy their oil. We will still buy their vodka (jk) and all will continue but Putin will save a few bucks by not traveling to a summit that does???? What???

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    Re: U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    heard this in the radio and it's been discussed much since Russia rolled in to Crimea. I oft wondered, in Hillary's famous line, what difference does it make? Western Europe will still buy natural gas from Russia. Others will still buy their oil. We will still buy their vodka (jk) and all will continue but Putin will save a few bucks by not traveling to a summit that does???? What???
    Vodka is a special case. Vladolf Putler doesn't own all the Russian distilleries (not yet).

    I am 100% for sanctions [full disclosure: here you have a Pole who grew up in Russia, fiercely anti-Soviet by blood and by conviction, a proud American citizen, etc - - - you can imagine]; also, I don't drink vodka - more of a red wine kinda guy --- but!:

    If it is not too much bother - please, we should spend some effort (like, 3 minutes of googling- never killed anyone) to determine (roughly) who is who. The small business owners are not the Kremlin's constituency.

    I still have some connections over there in Mordor - starting with my own elderly parents ( a frantic visas acquisition dance is underway) - not a single one of them has a single word of approval for what is happening. And "they" are a small but diverse bunch - left and right; Orthodox, Armenian, Jewish and Catholic; Russians and "nation-traitors" [Putler's words, from the recent "world-changing" speech]....

    There was a "battle of letters" in Moscow the other week: prominent writers, actors, scientists had lined up on one or the other side of the chasm. "Either you are with us, or you are against us" - nobody has any illusions at this point. But I am happy to report: Most everyone I knew as a worthy contributor to the great and tragic Russian culture of the 20th century did sign the "hands off the Ukraine" letter.

    All I can say is that the people who make Russia worth worrying about are still there - cornered, terrified - but still alive, still free (for now), and still trying to do their best in a horrible, horrible situation.

    I am guilty as well: "Made in China? Yuk. Don't they have anything Made in Taiwan, of the same quality?". But now, when it hits very close to home....Yes, absolutely, boycott their gas and oil (quantitatively stolen by the State-appointed "oligarchs" anyway), but give a chance to the few courageous souls who are still struggling - against all odds -to make Russia into a civilized country. They need our help. They are our best hope, actually.

    I know, it is almost too much to ask. But it is about bloody time for us to pay some freaking attention. 2014, you know. 1914 wasn't much fun.

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    Re: U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Throwing up the deuces. See ya later Russia! [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Mistake.

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    Re: U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8

    Hi Maggie, long time...
    What would you do?

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    Re: U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Hi Maggie, long time...
    What would you do?
    I'm a believer in keeping one's friends close and one's enemies closer.

    If we (the United States) had ties to an area (which Russia does to the Ukraine) and they suddenly wanted to vote to be annexed, I think we'd support them in that endeavor. Personally, I think we were wrong right out of the box. We should have used diplomacy and asked Russia to use UN supervisors to oversee their election process. We believe in elections, right? We believe the will of the people ought to be respected, right? Well, then, what is so wrong with what they did? If it were us, we might have done the same thing. Let the people decide.

    But. Since I assume we fomented the over-throw of their government? We had bigger designs than Russia taking over parts of it...

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    Re: U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8

    I still think that I'd fully support Crimea's joining Russia if I could be sure the voting was reasonably uncorrupted.

    But frankly Russian military forces hanging around the place while the vote was going on makes me highly skeptical.


    In this case I think the rest of the world (including USA here) is trying a bunch of **** OTHER than threatening military action, which is probably a good thing UNLESS such threats are the only thing Putin will respond to, assuming he's still in charge and all that.
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    Re: U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    heard this in the radio and it's been discussed much since Russia rolled in to Crimea. I oft wondered, in Hillary's famous line, what difference does it make? Western Europe will still buy natural gas from Russia. Others will still buy their oil. We will still buy their vodka (jk) and all will continue but Putin will save a few bucks by not traveling to a summit that does???? What???
    Major decisions will be made without Russia's input. Yeah, there's an effect.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm a believer in keeping one's friends close and one's enemies closer.

    If we (the United States) had ties to an area (which Russia does to the Ukraine) and they suddenly wanted to vote to be annexed, I think we'd support them in that endeavor. Personally, I think we were wrong right out of the box. We should have used diplomacy and asked Russia to use UN supervisors to oversee their election process. We believe in elections, right? We believe the will of the people ought to be respected, right? Well, then, what is so wrong with what they did? If it were us, we might have done the same thing. Let the people decide.

    But. Since I assume we fomented the over-throw of their government? We had bigger designs than Russia taking over parts of it...
    Voting with thousands of foreign troops outside the precinct isn't a democratic decision.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Voting with thousands of foreign troops outside the precinct isn't a democratic decision.
    It may be a mistake, but I judge most incidents through my own eyes. If I were intimidated, one of two things would happen. I'd go anyway, knowing they wouldn't see how I voted . . . or I wouldn't show up. In the last presidential election, there were thugs standing outside some of the voting places...they weren't asked to move along...they weren't prosecuted...nothing. Did they intimidate anyone from voting their own minds? I seriously doubt it.

    Now. The people who voted are far less important than the people who count them. So . . . Ha!

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