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    Re: Report: Chris Christie’s Bridgegate probe clears gov

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Smear campaigns work, don't they, which is why they are used. It's like trying to live down a rumor about yourself that was false...some doubt remains, I guess. It would crack me up if he ran in 2016 and won, though!
    Morning Pol, it does seem that is all we get these days is smear campaigns, mud, attack ads and nothing of substance. Instead of ads that extolls the vision, the virtues, the ideas and solutions a candidate has we get the mud and find out when a political opponent at the age of two months bit his mother’s nipple. The idea is to get you, the voter to hate his opponent more than you hate him. Today, neither parities candidate care if you hate them or their candidates, as long as you hate the other party and the other party’s candidates more. Then you will vote against the other party, but not really for yours.

    I think this is one of the reason why today we have so many people who identify themselves as independents instead of Republican or Democrat. They dislike both political parties. 25 years ago 72% of all Americans said they were either Republican or Democrat, only 28% identified themselves as independents. Then campaigns changed from being more positive to purely negative. Today according to Gallup, 55% of Americans now say they are Republican or Democrat, 45% say they are independents. The dislike factor is very high for both parties, 60% for one, 61% for the other. It use not to be this way, but this is what all the negative advertising does, it turns off the voters to both parties and makes them hate, but it also get one or the other party their vote, even though it is a vote that just says, I hate you a bit less than I hate the other guy.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Report: Chris Christie’s Bridgegate probe clears gov

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay, so they are credible
    They are?
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Report: Chris Christie’s Bridgegate probe clears gov

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Well well, sangha. It must have been tiring having to avoid my question. Let me remind you why I asked you about Politifact by pointing to your post #525 in this thread:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/obamac...-soars-53.html

    I posted something from Politifact just the other day. Your response? Let me post it for you again:

    Politifact? You're citing a blog?





    Thank you for allowing me to expose your hypocrisy.
    You don't realize the difference between citing a blog to support a claim about health care and doing the same for politics?
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Report: Chris Christie’s Bridgegate probe clears gov

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You don't realize the difference between citing a blog to support a claim about health care and doing the same for politics?
    No. I do know that you laughed at my using Politifact, and then you use them yourself. Your hypocrisy is on full parade here.

    Oh, and by the way, the link I posted to Politifact was an analysis of a claim made by Tim Kaine, who made statements that were the same as statements that were being made in that thread by you and other incorrect posters. Maybe you don't know this, but here is what Politifact does, in their own words:

    PolitiFact is a project of the Tampa Bay Times to help you find the truth in American politics. Reporters and editors from the Times fact-check statements by members of Congress, the White House, lobbyists and interest groups and rate them on our Truth-O-Meter

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    Re: Report: Chris Christie’s Bridgegate probe clears gov

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No. I do know that you laughed at my using Politifact,
    Yes, you used Politifact's opinion to counter well-researched and documented claims about the health care system that were reported by credible non-partisan health care advocate groups like The Commonwealth Fund, and the Kaiser Family Foundation. I used Politifact as a source of quotes.

    Yeah, that's exactly the same thing
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Report: Chris Christie’s Bridgegate probe clears gov

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, you used Politifact's opinion to counter well-researched and documented claims about the health care system that were reported by credible non-partisan health care advocate groups like The Commonwealth Fund, and the Kaiser Family Foundation. I used Politifact as a source of quotes.

    Yeah, that's exactly the same thing
    You scoffed at Politifact when I used them as a source, then used them when you need them.

    Your hypocrisy is on full parade, and I'm sure you're seething that I exposed it for anyone to read.

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    Re: Report: Chris Christie’s Bridgegate probe clears gov

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Report: Chris Christie?s Bridgegate probe clears gov - Lucy McCalmont - POLITICO.com


    Surely just one important step showing the Gov didn't lie (unlike our many other prominent Washington politicians who have). The Christie haters will continue to hate, the Christie supporters will be rewarded for their steadfast support. The media will likely not say much since this denies a smoking gun and the demise of a rising star Republican. Whether or not Christie runs in 2016 probably hasn't changed - from a political standpoint the damage was done; mission accomplished.
    This is great news! I am from NJ and would love to see him as President, but this has indeed hurt his chances and will likely derail the campaign if he begins one... But I'm not so sure now he wants to leave NJ. He would have to leave his post if he wanted to be President.
    There's no greater irony than a Trump supporter pointing out hypocrisy; Unless it's Trump himself.

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    Re: Report: Chris Christie’s Bridgegate probe clears gov

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You scoffed at Politifact when I used them as a source
    you left out the words "that are as credible as organizations like The Commonwealth Fund and The Kaiser Family Foundation on the issue of health care"
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Report: Chris Christie’s Bridgegate probe clears gov

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    you left out the words "that are as credible as organizations like The Commonwealth Fund and The Kaiser Family Foundation on the issue of health care"
    No, I didn't need to.

    I posted a link from Politifact. You scoffed at it. In fact, you even inserted the cute little smiley of the green guy laughing at it. Your post laughing at Politifact made no mention of The Commonwealth Fund or Kaiser.

    But when it's convenient for you to reference Politifact, you do so.

    Your hypocrisy is noted. Don't get mad because I exposed it.

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    Re: Report: Chris Christie’s Bridgegate probe clears gov

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, I didn't need to.

    I posted a link from Politifact. You scoffed at it. In fact, you even inserted the cute little smiley of the green guy laughing at it. Your post laughing at Politifact made no mention of The Commonwealth Fund or Kaiser.

    But when it's convenient for you to reference Politifact, you do so.

    Your hypocrisy is noted. Don't get mad because I exposed it.
    If it makes you feel better to think other people are having a specific emotional reaction to your words, then I advise you go with whatever works for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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