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Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

iguanaman said:
Pipelines don't bend easily. Imminent domain is how pipelines are built. Too bad pipelines don't really qualify because they are not really in "community interest".
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I am sure they have pre-fabricated bends for any occasion. How far underground should a pipeline be to escape being an eminent domain issue for localities?
 
iguanaman said:
Let the Canadians spill their oil for China on their own soil. Why won't they allow a pipeline to their West Coast? Because they are not greedy fools like some here.
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It would have to go over mountains, which is difficult. Other than that, I don't see why we need to build a pipeline to make it easier for the Canadians to send oil to China.
 
danielpalos said:
Are you always so limited in your comprehension?

We only need an equivalent to a Manhattan Project to make it happen in eight years or less.
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It is awesome that you are able to make this prediction when the scientists YOU provided disagree:

Hurricane said he does not know how long it will take to reach that point, where fusion is a viable energy source.

"Picture yourself halfway up a mountain, but the mountain is covered in clouds," he told reporters on a conference call Wednesday. “And then someone calls you on your satellite phone and asks you, ‘How long is it going to take you to climb to the top of the mountain?’ You just don’t know.”
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Fearandloathing said:
It is awesome that you are able to make this prediction when the scientists YOU provided disagree:
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Simply because he doesn't know doesn't mean we should appeal to ignorance. We have an official Mint at our disposal and wars on abstractions; why not another Manhattan Project for fusion?
 
danielpalos said:
Here it is for your ease and convenience:



We only need an equivalent to a Manhattan Project to make it happen in eight years or less.
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Then screw fusion and fission and let's stop global warming.

We're only spending $500 billion now, most of it on publicity and information programs, ramp that up with say $5 trillion and kidnap the world's leading scientists and stick them in a lab in New Mexico....

Then we can go on burning coal and crap.

All this rap on oil, when the US is the second largest consumer of coal in the G-8.

You want to end spills? Fix your pipelines and stop shipping by rail.
 
danielpalos said:
Simply because he doesn't know doesn't mean we should appeal to ignorance. We have an official Mint at our disposal and wars on abstractions; why not another Manhattan Project for fusion?
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And YOU know more than HIM!

That is so impressive!


and believable....
 
Fearandloathing said:
Then screw fusion and fission and let's stop global warming.

We're only spending $500 billion now, most of it on publicity and information programs, ramp that up with say $5 trillion and kidnap the world's leading scientists and stick them in a lab in New Mexico....

Then we can go on burning coal and crap.

All this rap on oil, when the US is the second largest consumer of coal in the G-8.

You want to end spills? Fix your pipelines and stop shipping by rail.
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Fusion could power global cooling and help us learn more about Terraforming.
 
danielpalos said:
Why, if it is you who seems to not understand the concepts involved.
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Typical, blaming me for your failure to comprehend with such snotty disdain is a hallmark of today's spoiled children coming of age.
 
danielpalos said:
Fusion could power global cooling and help us learn more about Terraforming.
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Great idea. Let's use coal, oil and gas for the next 200 years in the meantime. The oil and gas industry LOVE people like you!

They diverted pursuing development of alternatives by 10 years of guys like you urging let's wait for hydrogen power. But better still, let's delay 100 years - no 1000 years or 10,000 years for "terraforming." I have no doubt the oil and gas industry contributes to the "cause" of fusion. Such a wonderful way for them to keep anything from being done.

THE most important thing is to not do anything now. Rather, let's always delay for something we don't have.
 
j-mac said:
Typical, blaming me for your failure to comprehend with such snotty disdain is a hallmark of today's spoiled children coming of age.
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Not at all; part of ensuring Commerce is well regulated, could be federal Standards regarding public sector "conduits to markets" that can lower those costs to the private sector. Natural monopolies are one example. The physical layer of infrastructure, is a subset of a natural monopoly.
 
joko104 said:
Great idea. Let's use coal, oil and gas for the next 200 years in the meantime. The oil and gas industry LOVE people like you!

They diverted pursuing development of alternatives by 10 years of guys like you urging let's wait for hydrogen power. But better still, let's delay 100 years - no 1000 years or 10,000 years for "terraforming." I have no doubt the oil and gas industry contributes to the "cause" of fusion. Such a wonderful way for them to keep anything from being done.

THE most important thing is to not do anything now. Rather, let's always delay for something we don't have.
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Why not discover an energy source with a future.

Why should the People have to subsidize fossil fuels merely to have the wealthiest wage wars to de-stablize markets, for the sake of a private profit motive, on the Peoples' dime?

Fossil fuels are already a mature technology that seem to be more deleterious to our ecosystems upon which we rely in Nature.
 
danielpalos said:
Not at all; part of ensuring Commerce is well regulated, could be federal Standards regarding public sector "conduits to markets" that can lower those costs to the private sector. Natural monopolies are one example. The physical layer of infrastructure, is a subset of a natural monopoly.
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Look, I am a simple man, so you can dispense with the 'lib babble' of conduits, and such...I want to get back to you thinking that the simple phrase "General Welfare" somehow to you means that the founders wanted a 'welfare state'....

When they spoke of this, they spelled out how in the Constitution, by laying out the specific powers that Government is limited to. You on the other hand, think they meant General welfare as in taking care of the people through controlling their welfare is a destruction of rights, not freeing the people.
 
j-mac said:
Look, I am a simple man, so you can dispense with the 'lib babble' of conduits, and such...I want to get back to you thinking that the simple phrase "General Welfare" somehow to you means that the founders wanted a 'welfare state'....

When they spoke of this, they spelled out how in the Constitution, by laying out the specific powers that Government is limited to. You on the other hand, think they meant General welfare as in taking care of the people through controlling their welfare is a destruction of rights, not freeing the people.
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Only if we have to quibble regarding the difference between a warfare-State and a welfare-State; a welfare-State would not need wars or analogies to wars in public policies, but could merely correct for inefficiencies in any given market but especially the market for labor.
 
danielpalos said:
Only if we have to quibble regarding the difference between a warfare-State and a welfare-State; a welfare-State would not need wars or analogies to wars in public policies, but could merely correct for inefficiencies in any given market but especially the market for labor.
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In English please.
 
It is; are the concepts too difficult for you to understand?

Which part should i elaborate on, Only if we have to quibble regarding the difference between a warfare-State and a welfare-State.
 
cpwill said:
:doh what part of "we are still going to consume the oil" is too complex, here? If you don't let a pipeline bring it down, it's going to be put on trucks or boats, either of which spill more.
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Leave it to conservatives to defend big oil spills, big oil spills quite numerous at the present time. This is a very conservative part of Ohio big oil has just trashed. We have several posters from there. Ask them how happy they are right now .
 
Why limit any "conduits to markets" to only benefit the fossil fuel sector. In my opinion, the public sector should also provide potable and waste water management, and even industrial waste management, not merely fossil fuels.
 
danielpalos said:
It is; are the concepts too difficult for you to understand?

Which part should i elaborate on, Only if we have to quibble regarding the difference between a warfare-State and a welfare-State.
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Start with explaining your concept of General welfare, and I'll look at it in the morning.
 
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