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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Dude, the private sector has yet to go to the moon, and all of the technology can be obtained, practically, off the shelf. Going by that, if it hadn't been for monarchism, capitalism would still be looking for a New World.
    The private sector was smart enough to realize there is nothing on the moon but rocks. There is no shortage of rocks on earth. The government sector hasn't gone back to the moon either.

    All the WONDERFUL things some people believed would be discovered if only we got to the moon. And what was there? Rocks. And you count that as a wise expenditure of piles and piles of money. The quest for moon rocks.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    This is really sad.

    Nature is our most precious capital and it's irreplaceable. Once original ecosystem is destroyed, we can't buy another earth. There's no foolproof way to transport oil, not even pipelines, but I don't think private companies really care that much. There has been more than enough evidence gathered over the years to demonstrate that they do the bare minimum to meet regulatory guidelines, and now that regulatory agencies are bought off, there's even less being done.

    Oil is dirty but I know we need it for the time being. It has to be possible to increase environmental safety while still meeting quotas. The bottom line here is that industry simply does not care, and government turns a blind eye. As a result the argument is becoming more and more black and white. With the billions they're raking in, companies can afford to do better. They just don't because the old world mentality is still running those companies.

    People have become too desensitized to these stories. We absolutely cannot keep trashing the planet in this way. If what we're doing does not serve the next several generations, then it ought to be phased out with expediency. These profiteers do not care about anyone but themselves, and in a sane world they would not be allowed to continue with their behavior.
    Why not advance fusion, instead? We could have enough energy to desalinate ocean water for transport to any State experiencing any drought.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The private sector was smart enough to realize there is nothing on the moon but rocks. There is no shortage of rocks on earth. The government sector hasn't gone back to the moon either.

    All the WONDERFUL things some people believed would be discovered if only we got to the moon. And what was there? Rocks. And you count that as a wise expenditure of piles and piles of money. The quest for moon rocks.
    In other words, Capitalism Only needs to discover a profit motive.

    Socialism did it for the greater glory of Human understanding.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    There are viable EXISTING real alternative. Such as point of usage mini solar power (very common now for powering remote lights and equipment.) Wind power. Massive potential in ocean thermal gradience and tidal power. Bio-mass.

    To abandon all that in search of the mythology of fusion is as unenvironmentally sound as possible - and is just the pitch of the oil and gas industry.

    The oil and gas industry declare we should not pursue and actually build and use REAL alternatives. Instead, just keep doing what we are doing while searching for dialitum crystal star drives and magical mini-suns fusion reactors.

    Anyone pushing for fusion is a tool and PR agent of the oil and gas industry - as it is to divert all money and efforts from actual real, existing, viable alternations instead to Trekkie fantasyland.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are viable EXISTING real alternative. Such as point of usage mini solar power (very common now for powering remote lights and equipment.) Wind power. Massive potential in ocean thermal gradience and tidal power. Bio-mass.

    To abandon all that in search of the mythology of fusion is as unenvironmentally sound as possible - and is just the pitch of the oil and gas industry.

    The oil and gas industry declare we should not pursue and actually build and use REAL alternatives. Instead, just keep doing what we are doing while searching for dialitum crystal star drives and magical mini-suns fusion reactors.

    Anyone pushing for fusion is a tool and PR agent of the oil and gas industry - as it is to divert all money and efforts from actual real, existing, viable alternations instead to Trekkie fantasyland.
    Most of those technologies won't deliver the scale economies fusion can. And, those technologies tend to be local to the consumption site. There is a video on YouTube about using a compost pile to heat water for bathing and such.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    In other words, Capitalism Only needs to discover a profit motive.

    Socialism did it for the greater glory of Human understanding.
    GREAT! Electricity by an ideology reactor. We'll just build a machine that converts your cool ideology to electricity and we'll have all the power we need.

    HEY! Forget fusion, why not BRAIN powered cars. That's be fantastic. Just think "GO!" and the car goes. Mind over matter. Even physicists (most) there is such a thing as a metaphysical reality. So why not metaphysical motors?

    There are all sorts of movies about people moving stuff by just willing it to move, even a lot of people certain it is possible. Let's just keep on doing what we are doing until we figure out how to do that.

    The thought doesn't cross your mind that clean energy no one can afford is worthless, does it? If it is not profitable (which means affordable) it is worthless.

    And it was for-profit businesses that built was it took to land on the moon, though you think ideology did it.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Most of those technologies won't deliver the scale economies fusion can. And, those technologies tend to be local to the consumption site. There is a video on YouTube about using a compost pile to heat water for bathing and such.
    Grand massive scale electrical production - meaning ideal for graft and payola - isn't the only way to generate electricity. On-site solar power already is used. All street lights everywhere could be powered that way. Ever fly over the USA at night? A billion lights could be solar powered.

    The entire Western corridor of the USA is a desolate wasteland IDEAL for wind generators.

    Ocean thermal gradience is using the power of earth's gravity (hot core) itself. Essentially unlimited, renewable and with no environmental effect.

    The amount of energy of the tide here at our city coming in and going out twice a day at the channel here is more power than one of the coal burning power plants it flows past every day - and the tide here only rises and falls about 2 1/2 feet. It will do so forever and is a massive energy source equally the Hoover dam - and there are 10,000 similar locations in the USA.

    Just run a set of pipes 15 feet down below a house and all it takes is a water pump and radiators to heat and cool 80% of houses in the USA, and that pump could be solar or wind powered.

    The concept that electricity must come from huge central generations stations is false.

    The technology for all that exists now. But no, don't do that, spending a Manhattan project of money for years and decades hoping to find the magic of fusion - and just stick with oil, gas and coal until then (meaning for decades of doing nothing and possibly centuries more).
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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do your really care? The Al Gore theory of your using power to complain to who you buy it from.
    Um... was that English? Because I have no idea what you just said other than gsoiyg39hg*mouthfoam*gsoiygseub something about Al Gore.

    The America of 30 or even 20 years ago would care if we were seeing reports of the number of spills that we have today. The environmental devastation has increased exponentially as regulatory oversight slacks off. I guess the only difference is that right wingers have now been brainwashed to think that caring about the environment makes you a libbo.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    GREAT! Electricity by an ideology reactor. We'll just build a machine that converts your cool ideology to electricity and we'll have all the power we need.

    HEY! Forget fusion, why not BRAIN powered cars. That's be fantastic. Just think "GO!" and the car goes. Mind over matter. Even physicists (most) there is such a thing as a metaphysical reality. So why not metaphysical motors?

    There are all sorts of movies about people moving stuff by just willing it to move, even a lot of people certain it is possible. Let's just keep on doing what we are doing until we figure out how to do that.

    The thought doesn't cross your mind that clean energy no one can afford is worthless, does it? If it is not profitable (which means affordable) it is worthless.

    And it was for-profit businesses that built was it took to land on the moon, though you think ideology did it.
    I think you may be misunderstanding the concept of Socialism having an official Mint at its disposal.

    The Manhattan Project
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5DnMrMYL80

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Um... was that English? Because I have no idea what you just said other than gsoiyg39hg*mouthfoam*gsoiygseub something about Al Gore.

    The America of 30 or even 20 years ago would care if we were seeing reports of the number of spills that we have today. The environmental devastation has increased exponentially as regulatory oversight slacks off. I guess the only difference is that right wingers have now been brainwashed to think that caring about the environment makes you a libbo.
    ^ Wasn't that a bunch of partisan nothingness. The EPA was created by a Republican president. The Democrats were too much in industry's pocket.

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