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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

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    All great points. Myself, I think having unicorns run on wheels made out of solid rainbows is looking pretty promising, too. We could even breed super-small unicorns to power your home kitchen appliances.
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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Let the Canadians spill their oil for China on their own soil. Why won't they allow a pipeline to their West Coast? Because they are not greedy fools like some here.
    Read up on it. They want to sell refined products for greater profits, so want to pipeline it to refineries. Environmentalists have blocked any new refineries built for decades - although environmentalists love their plastic products and petrol fuels as much as anyone else. It is environmentalist who are responsible for most oil spills.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Are you always so limited in your comprehension?

    We only need an equivalent to a Manhattan Project to make it happen in eight years or less.
    Please turn off your electricity and stop using gasoline or diesel, grow your own food and buy no products that are plastic or trucked - and wait for fusion.

    Rather than fusion, we should build warp drive engines to generate electicity. Those put out huge amounts of horsepower by generating anti-matter. With that, we could build a warp-drive space ship of massive proportions and begin populating other planets. They are easily built too as is finding planets ready for human life.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    one of the dumbest things I've ever seen: Iraq, all their oil refineries were built back in the 40s and 50s by the Brits. They don't have the capability to capture the methane that is produced so it is continually being burned off, pumping scads of CO2 into the atmosphere. then they turn around and import natural gas.
    That happens in the USA too. Humans account for 3% of CO2 production.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    It is always annoying when people response to reality - to real current issues and problems with some fantasy alternative in the unknown distant future as the way to avoid addressing actual real existing issues.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Here it is for your ease and convenience:



    We only need an equivalent to a Manhattan Project to make it happen in eight years or less.
    "A team of scientists in California announced Wednesday they are one step closer to developing the almost mythical pollution-free, controlled fusion-energy reaction, though the goal of full “ignition” is still far off."

    "This isn't like building a bridge," Hurricane told USA Today in an interview. "This is an exceedingly hard problem. You're basically trying to produce a star, on a small scale, here on Earth."

    Picture yourself halfway up a mountain, but the mountain is covered in clouds," he told reporters on a conference call Wednesday. “And then someone calls you on your satellite phone and asks you, ‘How long is it going to take you to climb to the top of the mountain?’ You just don’t know.”

    The beams of the 192 lasers Livermore used can pinpoint extreme amounts of energy in billionth-of-a-second pulses on any target. Hurricane said the energy produced by the process was about twice the amount that was in the fuel of the plastic-capsule target. Though the amount of energy yielded equaled only around 1 percent of energy delivered by the lasers to the capsule to ignite the process.

    While applauding the Livermore team’s findings, fusion experts added researchers have “a factor of about 100 to go.”

    "These results are still a long way from ignition, but they represent a significant step forward in fusion research," said Mark Herrmann of the Sandia National Laboratories' Pulsed Power Sciences Center. "Achieving pressures this large, even for vanishingly short times, is no easy task."

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    So, with a 10 story building they produced power for a millisecond - only taking 100 times as much power to produce that power (meaning it sucks power rather than makes power) - for which according to them - and they are pro-fusion - they are now 1% of the way - maybe - with no mention of costs of an actual working unit.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    "A team of scientists in California announced Wednesday they are one step closer to developing the almost mythical pollution-free, controlled fusion-energy reaction, though the goal of full “ignition” is still far off."

    "This isn't like building a bridge," Hurricane told USA Today in an interview. "This is an exceedingly hard problem. You're basically trying to produce a star, on a small scale, here on Earth."

    Picture yourself halfway up a mountain, but the mountain is covered in clouds," he told reporters on a conference call Wednesday. “And then someone calls you on your satellite phone and asks you, ‘How long is it going to take you to climb to the top of the mountain?’ You just don’t know.”

    The beams of the 192 lasers Livermore used can pinpoint extreme amounts of energy in billionth-of-a-second pulses on any target. Hurricane said the energy produced by the process was about twice the amount that was in the fuel of the plastic-capsule target. Though the amount of energy yielded equaled only around 1 percent of energy delivered by the lasers to the capsule to ignite the process.

    While applauding the Livermore team’s findings, fusion experts added researchers have “a factor of about 100 to go.”

    "These results are still a long way from ignition, but they represent a significant step forward in fusion research," said Mark Herrmann of the Sandia National Laboratories' Pulsed Power Sciences Center. "Achieving pressures this large, even for vanishingly short times, is no easy task."

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    So, with a 10 story building they produced power for a millisecond - only taking 100 times as much power to produce that power (meaning it sucks power rather than makes power) - for which according to them - and they are pro-fusion - they are now 1% of the way - maybe - with no mention of costs of an actual working unit.
    Dude, the private sector has yet to go to the moon, and all of the technology can be obtained, practically, off the shelf. Going by that, if it hadn't been for monarchism, capitalism would still be looking for a New World.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    This is really sad.

    Nature is our most precious capital and it's irreplaceable. Once original ecosystem is destroyed, we can't buy another earth. There's no foolproof way to transport oil, not even pipelines, but I don't think private companies really care that much. There has been more than enough evidence gathered over the years to demonstrate that they do the bare minimum to meet regulatory guidelines, and now that regulatory agencies are bought off, there's even less being done.

    Oil is dirty but I know we need it for the time being. It has to be possible to increase environmental safety while still meeting quotas. The bottom line here is that industry simply does not care, and government turns a blind eye. As a result the argument is becoming more and more black and white. With the billions they're raking in, companies can afford to do better. They just don't because the old world mentality is still running those companies.

    People have become too desensitized to these stories. We absolutely cannot keep trashing the planet in this way. If what we're doing does not serve the next several generations, then it ought to be phased out with expediency. These profiteers do not care about anyone but themselves, and in a sane world they would not be allowed to continue with their behavior.

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    There is, of course, there are a few dangers of fusion in the context of making a mini-star. Lost containment and earth is instantly obliterated. But that's just a possible minor potential glitch during the development stage.

    Fortunately, so far, obtaining the instant destruction of earth is proving difficult to achieve. But they are trying every possible way.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    This is really sad.

    Nature is our most precious capital and it's irreplaceable. Once original ecosystem is destroyed, we can't buy another earth. There's no foolproof way to transport oil, not even pipelines, but I don't think private companies really care that much. There has been more than enough evidence gathered over the years to demonstrate that they do the bare minimum to meet regulatory guidelines, and now that regulatory agencies are bought off, there's even less being done.

    Oil is dirty but I know we need it for the time being. It has to be possible to increase environmental safety while still meeting quotas. The bottom line here is that industry simply does not care, and government turns a blind eye. As a result the argument is becoming more and more black and white. With the billions they're raking in, companies can afford to do better. They just don't because the old world mentality is still running those companies.

    People have become too desensitized to these stories. We absolutely cannot keep trashing the planet in this way. If what we're doing does not serve the next several generations, then it ought to be phased out with expediency. These profiteers do not care about anyone but themselves, and in a sane world they would not be allowed to continue with their behavior.
    Do your really care? The Al Gore theory of your using power to complain to who you buy it from.

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