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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Building fusion will also create modern jobs for modern times. How old is the fossil fuel sector?
    the ability to build a operating fusion reactor does not exist...yet

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    One spill brings a demand to spend massive amounts of money to re direct the entire nation's energy needs, rather than upgrading the rotting backbone of the US pipeline network.

    Meanwhile Obama is a hero for delaying the Keystone, which will be the most modern technology, while no one pauses to wonder why Canada has almost no spills with ten times the pipelines over the most rugged terrain in North America, and the US has so many spills.

    Like most infrastructure in the US, I suspect some repairs are in order before re-inventing the universe.
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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    at some point, perhaps. Eventually solar will also become cheap, durable, and effective enough to be integrated into standard roofing material. Just not today or for a few years yet .
    that is exactly what solar is for. if every new home had a solar panel built on it it would provide much larger grid than building a full plant. the excess energy would be put back to the power grid. solar for core power use is well not feasible. it just takes to many panels and if you live in the north were 6-8 months out of the year you have cloud cover and snow it just doesn't work.

    i know the next house i have i am going to put solar panels on along with a solar or geothermal water heater system. yes the cost will add onto the home but i think i can still get credits and other things from the fed, state, and power company for doing it.

    since it will be the only house i ever build and plan to stay there then it is worth the effort and the money. i just have to sell the house i have now for the down payment.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Building fusion will also create modern jobs for modern times. How old is the fossil fuel sector?
    The pipeline will be buiot with private money.
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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So in a contest between a drilling/transporting/refinement process that produces more environmental pollution and a drilling/transporting/refinement process that produces less, which one is preferrable?
    In Only that contest, I would pick the fuel that produces the least negative impact on our environment.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So in a contest between a drilling/transporting/refinement process that produces more environmental pollution and a drilling/transporting/refinement process that produces less, which one is preferrable?
    We are not going to have train transport of the volume of oil a pipeline will bring and it isn't cost efficient to do so. So this is a strawman.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    at some point, perhaps. Eventually solar will also become cheap, durable, and effective enough to be integrated into standard roofing material. Just not today or for a few years yet .
    All it takes is money for fusion. So, if we are going to use Socialism to bailout Capitalism, why not do it for a fuel with a future.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the ability to build a operating fusion reactor does not exist...yet
    You need to catch up on the latest advances; all it requires now, is money.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    One spill brings a demand to spend massive amounts of money to re direct the entire nation's energy needs, rather than upgrading the rotting backbone of the US pipeline network.

    Meanwhile Obama is a hero for delaying the Keystone, which will be the most modern technology, while no one pauses to wonder why Canada has almost no spills with ten times the pipelines over the most rugged terrain in North America, and the US has so many spills.

    Like most infrastructure in the US, I suspect some repairs are in order before re-inventing the universe.
    If most of it is private, why isn't the private sector doing a better job than the public sector at "infrastructure"?

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    In Only that contest, I would pick the fuel that produces the least negative impact on our environment.
    Which is the exact opposite of Tar Sands oil. It is the most expensive and polluting energy on the planet.

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