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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I think you may be misunderstanding the concept of Socialism having an official Mint at its disposal.

    The Manhattan Project
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5DnMrMYL80
    The oil and gas industry has been able rely on nave people such you indicate in your message combined with the prostitute-nature of "scientists."

    For a decade, nearly all money and development of alternative sources was diverted to researching the fabulous future of hydrogen. The industry put in enough money to "scientists" to do research to get it going, the government paying the rest. Magazines and scientific journals filled with articles declaring hydrogen is the power of the future. We'd all be driving cars with fuel cells. Hydrogen would solve everything. In the meantime, we'd just have to keep using coal, oil and gas.

    People like you demanded they were right, so nothing happened.

    Now they try convince people like you that fusion is the magic - for which you cite your proof in an article that essentially says it is impossible to do at this them. This also diverts from all the known working, feasible and affordable clean and renewable alternatives.

    The enemy of the environment are nave people calling themselves environmentalists, when actually they are just tools of the oil and coal industry.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The oil and gas industry has been able rely on nave people such you indicate in your message combined with the prostitute-nature of "scientists."

    For a decade, nearly all money and development of alternative sources was diverted to researching the fabulous future of hydrogen. The industry put in enough money to "scientists" to do research to get it going, the government paying the rest. Magazines and scientific journals filled with articles declaring hydrogen is the power of the future. We'd all be driving cars with fuel cells. Hydrogen would solve everything. In the meantime, we'd just have to keep using coal, oil and gas.

    People like you demanded they were right, so nothing happened.

    Now they try convince people like you that fusion is the magic - for which you cite your proof in an article that essentially says it is impossible to do at this them. This also diverts from all the known working, feasible and affordable clean and renewable alternatives.

    The enemy of the environment are nave people calling themselves environmentalists, when actually they are just tools of the oil and coal industry.
    maybe we just need a War on a lack of Energy.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Read up on it. They want to sell refined products for greater profits, so want to pipeline it to refineries. Environmentalists have blocked any new refineries built for decades - although environmentalists love their plastic products and petrol fuels as much as anyone else. It is environmentalist who are responsible for most oil spills.
    That's the joke of it. Due mostly to the new fuel economy standards, we are using gasoline at pre 2000 levels and have such a surplus of refining capacity that we EXPORT 400,000 barrels of gasoline a day. Refineries are dangerous and dirty, spewing carcinogens into the air. Why would we want more of them than we actually need? Are we that beholding to the oil companies profits that we will allow them to poison our air and water so they can sell gasoline to China? How low can we go?

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Grand massive scale electrical production - meaning ideal for graft and payola - isn't the only way to generate electricity. On-site solar power already is used. All street lights everywhere could be powered that way. Ever fly over the USA at night? A billion lights could be solar powered.

    The entire Western corridor of the USA is a desolate wasteland IDEAL for wind generators.

    Ocean thermal gradience is using the power of earth's gravity (hot core) itself. Essentially unlimited, renewable and with no environmental effect.

    The amount of energy of the tide here at our city coming in and going out twice a day at the channel here is more power than one of the coal burning power plants it flows past every day - and the tide here only rises and falls about 2 1/2 feet. It will do so forever and is a massive energy source equally the Hoover dam - and there are 10,000 similar locations in the USA.

    Just run a set of pipes 15 feet down below a house and all it takes is a water pump and radiators to heat and cool 80% of houses in the USA, and that pump could be solar or wind powered.

    The concept that electricity must come from huge central generations stations is false.

    The technology for all that exists now. But no, don't do that, spending a Manhattan project of money for years and decades hoping to find the magic of fusion - and just stick with oil, gas and coal until then (meaning for decades of doing nothing and possibly centuries more).
    It isn't about "hope of the magic of fusion" but the capital intensiveness of the such a project. Besides, most people didn't have a clue or didn't complain when it was about warfare-State functionality instead of merely what our Founding Fathers ordained and established, a welfare-State to promote the general welfare.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    It isn't about "hope of the magic of fusion" but the capital intensiveness of the such a project. Besides, most people didn't have a clue or didn't complain when it was about warfare-State functionality instead of merely what our Founding Fathers ordained and established, a welfare-State to promote the general welfare.
    Huh? Are you really saying that the founders wanted a welfare state?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Huh? Are you really saying that the founders wanted a welfare state?
    Yes, a welfare-State may promote the general welfare, while a warfare-State merely promotes the general warfare.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    So, if the private sector claims they can do it with private money, why is our federal Congress involved?
    Because building it requires taking peoples land away forcibly.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The private sector was smart enough to realize there is nothing on the moon but rocks. There is no shortage of rocks on earth. The government sector hasn't gone back to the moon either.

    All the WONDERFUL things some people believed would be discovered if only we got to the moon. And what was there? Rocks. And you count that as a wise expenditure of piles and piles of money. The quest for moon rocks.
    Wonderful things were discovered due to the moon landing just not on the moon. The landings proved once and for all that the moon was once a part of Earth, hence the lack of interesting finds there.

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Because building it requires taking peoples land away forcibly.
    Why, if they can simply buy people out or go around them?

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    Re: Thousands of Gallons of Crude Oil Spills in Ohio Nature Preserve

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Why, if they can simply buy people out or go around them?
    Pipelines don't bend easily. Imminent domain is how pipelines are built. Too bad pipelines don't really qualify because they are not really in "community interest".

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