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    Re: Malaysian Prime Minister: Flight 370 Crashed Into Indian Ocean, No Survivors

    This morning, 7:00 CST, they're reporting the search is called off due to weather conditions.

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    Re: Malaysian Prime Minister: Flight 370 Crashed Into Indian Ocean, No Survivors

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Unless it ran out of fuel. What proof that they have that the transponder was turned off? I'd say, at this point, none. Could have been a massive electrical failure.
    The plan gave off pings from an automated satellite system. It wouldn't had there been a massive electrical failure.
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    Re: Malaysian Prime Minister: Flight 370 Crashed Into Indian Ocean, No Survivors

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes it would. If you had studied the situation, the only airport it could land was the one it came from, hence the turn is very logical, and the direction is logical.



    Sigh.. the key is not the freaking holding pattern, but the fact that the passengers and crew were knocked out... and letting the auto-pilot fly till the plane ran out of fuel.. THAT is the point I was making.
    Do you understand what holding pattern is? If 370 had tried to get back to it's own airport, then that's where it would've crashed. It wouldn't have flown all the way to the Indian Ocean.


    Fire.
    If it had caught on fire near Malaysia, it wouldn't have stayed in the air until it reached the Indian Ocean.

    Electronical failure.
    We know there were pings coming off the plane from an automated satellite system. Probably wouldn't have happened if there had been an electronic failure.


    A mistake, the buttons are close to others. If there was a decompression, then fog will be generated along with high sounds (your ear drums basically pop), and hitting the wrong button in the chaos is relatively easy.
    First off, the transponder on a Boeing is a button, it's a switch that you can move to different positions if you want to change it. Second, these aren't blind idiots we're talking about. These are trained pilots who wouldn't have just blindly smashed every button, switch, and dial in hopes of something fixing whatever problem they were having.

    It almost seems that American's want this to be some sort of terror instead of mechanical failure... protecting Boeing?
    Oh, shut up.
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    Re: Malaysian Prime Minister: Flight 370 Crashed Into Indian Ocean, No Survivors

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Bull****. If you pay someone enough $, you can make them do anything.

    The pilot was most likely paid by terrorists or some govt. w/a nefarious agenda to commandeer the plane and take it off course and land somewhere else. That's the only logical explanation given the evidence.
    Possibly, but those motivated by money are usually very interested in being able to spend the money they receive as payment. Once those pilots took the plane of course, the odds of them surviving and remaining free to spend their ill gotten gains was practically zero.

    In short, I dont think money was the motivator in this situation.

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    Re: Malaysian Prime Minister: Flight 370 Crashed Into Indian Ocean, No Survivors

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Now the question is why or how.
    Until they find and recover the wreckage we will never know. That could take months or years.

    But what is clear is that the plane was deliberately flown by somebody who turned off the transponder and changed course towards the Indian Ocean. I would say its probably pilot suicide.

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    Re: Malaysian Prime Minister: Flight 370 Crashed Into Indian Ocean, No Survivors

    I would bet the plane is exactly where the say it is. But man, there has been so much about this that just makes one wonder. If not for that pinger it could have landed back at the airport it left...almost.
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    Re: Malaysian Prime Minister: Flight 370 Crashed Into Indian Ocean, No Survivors

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Unless it ran out of fuel. What proof that they have that the transponder was turned off? I'd say, at this point, none. Could have been a massive electrical failure.
    The plane would not have kept flying for 7 hours in the event of a massive electrical failure. Also, we know that equipment on the plane was pinging a satellite. Had that equipment been disabled due to an electrical failure it would not have been pinging. That it was pinging meant that it's normal transmissions had been turned off but the equipment was still operational, pinging a "keep alive" signal to its satellite. This points to a deliberate attempt to shut down contact with the ground. Also, the ACARS reported that the pilot reprogrammed navigation to make a turn to the West well before communication shut down and the co-pilot made his final voice transmission, according to the New York Times. ACARS transmits data every 30 minutes and the expected next transmission never arrived.

    I'm somewhat dubious of the method they used to determine the plane's final location. It's a technology that wasn't intended to be used that way. The plane could still be anywhere that 7 hours of flight could take it. I'm also dubious of the idea that the plane could not have flown north without being seen on radar. The last radar contacts with the plane show it going northwest, not toward the southern Indian Ocean.

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    Re: Malaysian Prime Minister: Flight 370 Crashed Into Indian Ocean, No Survivors

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Possibly, but those motivated by money are usually very interested in being able to spend the money they receive as payment. Once those pilots took the plane of course, the odds of them surviving and remaining free to spend their ill gotten gains was practically zero.
    No, it's very easy. The money is wired to someone else's account, and then he just takes on a new identity (w/false ID, passport, credit cards, etc.).

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    Re: Malaysian Prime Minister: Flight 370 Crashed Into Indian Ocean, No Survivors

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Do you understand what holding pattern is? If 370 had tried to get back to it's own airport, then that's where it would've crashed. It wouldn't have flown all the way to the Indian Ocean.
    And do you understand that the pilots might have lost conciousness while trying to get to the nearest airport? If they did not manage to get the last sets of co-ordinates input into the computer?

    If it had caught on fire near Malaysia, it wouldn't have stayed in the air until it reached the Indian Ocean.
    Fire needs oxygen, and can be put out.. but the damage remains. Unconscious crew and passengers, damaged plane.... you do the math.

    We know there were pings coming off the plane from an automated satellite system. Probably wouldn't have happened if there had been an electronic failure.
    It does not have to be a full electronic failure, after all it looks like the auto-pilot kept the plane on the last heading. And the system that pings does not have to be connected to the overall electronic system. There are many technical possibilities that we have no information about at this time.

    First off, the transponder on a Boeing is a button, it's a switch that you can move to different positions if you want to change it. Second, these aren't blind idiots we're talking about. These are trained pilots who wouldn't have just blindly smashed every button, switch, and dial in hopes of something fixing whatever problem they were having.
    First off, when there is decompression there is massive disorientation even for trained pilots. There is loud noises, alarms and mist/fog generation in the cabin/cockpit (according to all the pilots and experts I have seen).

    On top of that they have 30 seconds to get everything right or else they loose conciousness.

    So no it is not as simple as you think it is. Plus as I stated, the transponder could have been damaged also... there are so many possibilities. All we know is that it was "shut off" or stopped functioning at a specific time. Why or how this happened we are in the dark about, but it is far more logical that it is a technical problem than some terrorist/suicide pact thing that has been floated by most of the Newscorp media the last 3 weeks.

    Oh, shut up.
    Dont be so naive. Boeing is a major American industry and has a piss-poor few years when it comes to safety and faulty equipment. It amazes me that there was more talk about terror and UFO's than mechanical failure... and even now they refuse to dwell too much on the possibility and are still pushing the suicide or terrorist angel, despite it being far more logical that something went wrong on the plane... mechanically/electronically. The so called anonymous sources coming out of the US have been pushing the terror angle from day one and are still doing so, despite the facts pointing to a massive mechanical/electronical failure happening on the plane.

    Face it, if this is another technical fault on a Boeing plane, then it can seriously hurt the Boeing stock and brand considering the crap that has been happening to them over the last 2 years with the new planes, fires in batteries and so on.
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    Re: Malaysian Prime Minister: Flight 370 Crashed Into Indian Ocean, No Survivors

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And do you understand that the pilots might have lost conciousness while trying to get to the nearest airport? If they did not manage to get the last sets of co-ordinates input into the computer?


    If they had put the coordinates then they would have flown right towards the airport but thats not what happened. The official investigation already told us that the turning off of the transponder was intentional so youre just making things up now.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    Fire needs oxygen, and can be put out.. but the damage remains. Unconscious crew and passengers, damaged plane.... you do the math.
    Apparently youre not doing any math because the plane flew on for hours which would not have happened if there was a fire. Fire also needs oxygen and will not happen if the plane flies too high to knock everyone out according to your crazy theory.

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